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Old 08-18-2018, 08:09 PM   #1
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Economy But the CEO's are just "Small Potatoes"

But the CEO's are just "Small Potatoes"

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Now, It is amazing how American Socialists go on and on about CEO and the 1% as if CEO's are all that make up the 1%, but what about this:

Perhaps unsurprisingly, Robert Downey Jr. (Iron Man) has the biggest payday of the stars ā€” he will receive $200 million for both films. This is a huge increase from his original salary of $40 million to originate the role.

$200 Million for six months work! (two movies and it takes about three months to make a move), that is a hell of a lot more then the AVERAGE of the CEO's at only $18.9 Million, and they actually work the entire year to earn that.

And note that for the first Iron Man movie he still make more then twice what a CEO's, on average makes today, for only working a quarter of the year.

Not a while back there were issues raised about the left, taxes and Al Sharpton owing more then $5 million in unpaid taxes. The defense for Sharpton was another person who owed more and as Sharpton was just "Small Potatoes". Well I don't see why the IRS could not have gone after both of them? But, since that is OK to not pay your taxes, so long as you can find someone on the right who owes more than you, why do we care about what CEO's are paid? When compared to Hollywood, Pro-team sports, CEO's are really "small potatoes"!!!

And that is before we take into account, the lack of caring about there fellow Americans having jobs when most American go shopping. The number of jobs CEO's create compared to Hollywood and Pro Team Sports. etc
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But Robert Downey doesn't work every year, and in a few years he'll be yesterday's news and forgotten. The CEOs will be working until they are 90. It all evens out in the end.
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But Robert Downey doesn't work every year, and in a few years he'll be yesterday's news and forgotten. The CEOs will be working until they are 90. It all evens out in the end.
The way you phrase that it's as though you're saying poor Robert Downey. He'll be unemployed in a few years while those lucky CEO's will have jobs for life.
$40M for the first Iron Man would set him up for life. He doesn't need to work after that.

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First, is if the job is particularly unpleasant or dangerous . . . then, you have to pay extra just to get someone to be willing to do it.
Second are the jobs where a particular skill or talent is called for. Entertainers and athletes fall into this category, but so do the jobs that require a high degree of training, like doctors.
The third category for high pay are those who have a high degree of responsibility (like CEO's). . . whose decisions involve a lot of money and/or affect a lot of people. If a worker in a corporation makes a mistake, it means a day's or a week's work may have to be redone ... or, perhaps, a client is lost. The CEO of the same corporation may only make three or four decisions a year, but those decisions may be to open or close six plants or to begin or discontinue an entire line of products. If that person makes a mistake, it could put hundreds or thousands of people out of work. Responsibility of that level is frightening and wearing, and the person willing to hold the bag deserves a higher degree of compensation.

Within each profession there's a pecking order with the best or most experienced getting the highest rates, while the newer, lower workers settle for starting wages. Popular entertainers earn more than relative unknowns who are still building a following. Supervisors and managers get more than those reporting to them, since they have to have both the necessary skills of the job plus the responsibility of organizing and overseeing others. This is the natural order of a job force, and it provides incentive for new workers to stick with a job and to try to move up in the order.
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The way you phrase that it's as though you're saying poor Robert Downey. He'll be unemployed in a few years while those lucky CEO's will have jobs for life.
$40M for the first Iron Man would set him up for life. He doesn't need to work after that.

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First, is if the job is particularly unpleasant or dangerous . . . then, you have to pay extra just to get someone to be willing to do it.
Counter-point- McDonald's work, and customer service work in general, is legendarily unpleasant, but any suggestion that it's worth a living wage gets shouted down by people like you.
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The way you phrase that it's as though you're saying poor Robert Downey. He'll be unemployed in a few years while those lucky CEO's will have jobs for life.
$40M for the first Iron Man would set him up for life. He doesn't need to work after that.

How the pay scale work.
Counter-point- McDonald's work, and customer service work in general, is legendarily unpleasant, but any suggestion that it's worth a living wage gets shouted down by people like you.


Hahahha "legendarily unpleasant". Are you fucking serious right now. Mcdonalds employees are in a heated and/or airconditioned building. There is no unpleasant odors. You are not dealing with chemicals. abuse to the body is low, as in your not lifting heavy weights, risking broken bones, or lost limbs ect. Your not having to deal with seasonal elements like rain. I could keep going, but I think you get the point. If you think mcdonalds is legendarily unpleasant, then you are so sheltered you really can't comment on matters like this because you have no clue.
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Actors and athletes are in the top .001 percent
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To be in the top 1% of earners in the US you need to earn 421,926 a year

Actors and athletes are in the top .001 percent
No more than the hated CEOs are.
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To be in the top 1% of earners in the US you need to earn 421,926 a year

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No more than the hated CEOs are.

And yet we never heard one work said about the compensation of Hollywood or Pro Team sport layers or coaches. WHY?
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No more than the hated CEOs are.

And yet we never heard one work said about the compensation of Hollywood or Pro Team sport layers or coaches. WHY?
Speaking solely for myself, I'm not that upset about the high wages for entertainers because a) as garison alluded to, those tend to be windfalls rather than a steady income, and b) they're getting paid for their own labor, rather than that of their employees. This is of course not to say that those wealthy entertainers would be safe from the coming revolution, just that I do not regard it as a particular injustice when a sportsballer makes a million dollars off of breaking his own bones before adoring crowds.
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And yet we never heard one work said about the compensation of Hollywood or Pro Team sport layers or coaches. WHY?
Speaking solely for myself, I'm not that upset about the high wages for entertainers because a) as garison alluded to, those tend to be windfalls rather than a steady income, and b) they're getting paid for their own labor, rather than that of their employees. This is of course not to say that those wealthy entertainers would be safe from the coming revolution, just that I do not regard it as a particular injustice when a sportsballer makes a million dollars off of breaking his own bones before adoring crowds.

Their own labor? Really? Did all those football players taking a Knee, invent the Game? Create the Teams? Build the Communication network that broadcasts the games and being in the advertising revenue that pays there salaries? Did TDJ create the character of Iron Man? Write the Screen Play? Build the props? Do any of the CGI work?

None of of them did any of that? Note I said pro TEAM ports, Golf or Tennis you might have a point, but then it comes to actors or Team port players, it is far form "just there personal labor" that get them their salaries? NO DIFFERENT THEN THE CEO's the socialists left complains about!!!
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Speaking solely for myself, I'm not that upset about the high wages for entertainers because a) as garison alluded to, those tend to be windfalls rather than a steady income, and b) they're getting paid for their own labor, rather than that of their employees. This is of course not to say that those wealthy entertainers would be safe from the coming revolution, just that I do not regard it as a particular injustice when a sportsballer makes a million dollars off of breaking his own bones before adoring crowds.

Their own labor? Really? Did all those football players taking a Knee, invent the Game? Create the Teams? Build the Communication network that broadcasts the games and being in the advertising revenue that pays there salaries? Did TDJ create the character of Iron Man? Write the Screen Play? Build the props? Do any of the CGI work?

None of of them did any of that? Note I said pro TEAM ports, Golf or Tennis you might have a point, but then it comes to actors or Team port players, it is far form "just there personal labor" that get them their salaries? NO DIFFERENT THEN THE CEO's the socialists left complains about!!!
I said none of that, but I am pleased to see that you agree with former-president Obama that "you didn't build that".

In actual answer to your point, no, to my knowledge RDJ did not do any of the things you're asking about. Also to my knowledge, though, he is not asked to do any of those things. His contract AFAIK starts and ends at "show up and act", which is the labor I was referring to.

Sure, he's dependent on people behind and around him to maximize/enable his own productivity, but y'know what? So was the pupusa girl I bought breakfast from yesterday. She didn't invent the pupusa, she (probably) didn't make the masa nor curtido, nor raise the pork nor grow the beans, she didn't even fry the pupusa herself, but the transaction was still entirely her labor. That interconnectedness is how labor works in a modern economy.
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Their own labor? Really? Did all those football players taking a Knee, invent the Game? Create the Teams? Build the Communication network that broadcasts the games and being in the advertising revenue that pays there salaries? Did TDJ create the character of Iron Man? Write the Screen Play? Build the props? Do any of the CGI work?

None of of them did any of that? Note I said pro TEAM ports, Golf or Tennis you might have a point, but then it comes to actors or Team port players, it is far form "just there personal labor" that get them their salaries? NO DIFFERENT THEN THE CEO's the socialists left complains about!!!
I said none of that, but I am pleased to see that you agree with former-president Obama that "you didn't build that".

In actual answer to your point, no, to my knowledge RDJ did not do any of the things you're asking about. Also to my knowledge, though, he is not asked to do any of those things. His contract AFAIK starts and ends at "show up and act", which is the labor I was referring to.

Sure, he's dependent on people behind and around him to maximize/enable his own productivity, but y'know what? So was the pupusa girl I bought breakfast from yesterday. She didn't invent the pupusa, she (probably) didn't make the masa nor curtido, nor raise the pork nor grow the beans, she didn't even fry the pupusa herself, but the transaction was still entirely her labor. That interconnectedness is how labor works in a modern economy.

So then you disagree with the idea that CEO's pay is unfair!

But my original point was very simple, if CEO's pay is unfair, why isn't the pay of Hollywood or Pro Team Sport players? An you defended the pay of those individuals, which I suspect has more to do wit their political opinion, the same reason why those in the video also ignore it to grip about CEO's, then the actual pay itself.

But you also suppose the same individuals who scream about income inequality, pointing to those that do not sport them in their campaign, but as I said they are "small potatoes" compared to Hollywood and Pro Sports.
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I said none of that, but I am pleased to see that you agree with former-president Obama that "you didn't build that".

In actual answer to your point, no, to my knowledge RDJ did not do any of the things you're asking about. Also to my knowledge, though, he is not asked to do any of those things. His contract AFAIK starts and ends at "show up and act", which is the labor I was referring to.

Sure, he's dependent on people behind and around him to maximize/enable his own productivity, but y'know what? So was the pupusa girl I bought breakfast from yesterday. She didn't invent the pupusa, she (probably) didn't make the masa nor curtido, nor raise the pork nor grow the beans, she didn't even fry the pupusa herself, but the transaction was still entirely her labor. That interconnectedness is how labor works in a modern economy.

So then you disagree with the idea that CEO's pay is unfair!
...I don't quite follow, old chum.
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No, I meant what I said. Entertainers, even superstars like RDJ, are proletarians, selling their labor power, which gets a whole lot more sympathy from me than the bourgeois management who exploit them. Which is a detail you'd rather avoid; if RDJ got $200 million for a movie, that means a) somebody else has $200 million to pay him, and b) somebody got/expects to get well over $200 million from having him.

E: Plus, like I said, this debate right here is irrelevant. Come the revolution, all my sympathy towards these rich bastards would get them is the opportunity to sign over all their wealth before getting a visit from the Patriotic Shortener.
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if RDJ got $200 million for a movie, that means a) somebody else has $200 million to pay him, and b) somebody got/expects to get well over $200 million from having him.
And who has to go out on a limb and make that decision?
The CEO, that's who. If he gets it wrong his business goes down the tubes. There are a lot of people depending on him getting it right. That's what he's being paid for. Making the hard decisions and not getting them wrong.
A lot more stressful than acting in a film.

What happens when you get rid of the men who run the corporations? The corporations and the country go down the tubes. Just take a look at Venezuela and Zimbabwe. Keep an eye on South Africa because they're about to follow Zimbabwe's path and they'll be the next African basket case.
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A lot of hate there. Remember it's those rich bastards that pay the most taxes, provide the most charity, provide the most jobs. Did you hate Bill Gates when he worked for a pittance, trying to get his initial Windows up and running? Or do you just hate him now because he's a rich bastard. I mean, he's a truly evil man, expecting to be paid for all the hard work, hardship, and genius he put into developing Microsoft.

Doctors. Just because they studied hard for years to learn how to be a doctor, work long hours establishing themselves after they graduated, still put in long hours keeping themselves up to date with their speciality, it's totally unfair that they are now rich bastards. Roll on the socialist state and mediocre doctors.
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A lot of hate there. Remember it's those rich bastards that pay the most taxes, provide the most charity, provide the most jobs. Did you hate Bill Gates when he worked for a pittance, trying to get his initial Windows up and running? Or do you just hate him now because he's a rich bastard. I mean, he's a truly evil man, expecting to be paid for all the hard work, hardship, and genius he put into developing Microsoft.
The problem is that, well first they really don't give the most to charity, but second they're also the people who decide that it's better for society to spend a billion dollars buying their third Greek island or Chanel trash bags than to get some homeless people off the streets. I'm not even talking about government philanthropy there, BTW, I would also accept hiring them, or helping them through private philanthropy. In the end, though, the issue isn't with the acquisition of wealth, it's with the retention and hoarding of it, to social harm.
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Article one admits that rich people donate heaps to charity.
They down play this using the widow's mite parable, where the woman give from her paucity, where the rich gave from their riches.
All very nice and sounds good but the rich still make up the bulk of the charitable donations.
* Bill and Melinda Gates charitable donations - $28 billion
* Warren Buffett Charitable donations - $37 billion
* Ted Turner, ex-CEO of Turner Broadcasting System - $1.2 billion
* Mark Zuckerberg - $1.6 billion

Seems to me that they're giving their fair share. How much do you want them to give?

Article two is just a whine that rich people spend spare cash on silly things.
Are you saying poor people don't?

As for article three and the hoarding and retaining of money it's not sitting in a huge vault, Scrooge McDuck style. It's out there working for them, providing jobs for people. Take that money and distribute it evenly around the world and the world would be worse off, because no-one would have the resources to do anything. There are times when resources need to be concentrated so that something can be built and the economy can thrive.

Zimbabwe took prosperous farms from rich white farmers because they were white, and split the land amongst black people. The result? The farms fell into ruin because their was no-one with the knowledge and skill to make a go of these farms. Zimbawe went from a food exporting country to a food importing country because they followed your idea - took it from the rich and gave it to the poor. When you have some spare time try and study how the economy actually works compared to an idealistic dream.
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No, I meant what I said. Entertainers, even superstars like RDJ, are proletarians, selling their labor power, which gets a whole lot more sympathy from me than the bourgeois management who exploit them. Which is a detail you'd rather avoid; if RDJ got $200 million for a movie, that means a) somebody else has $200 million to pay him, and b) somebody got/expects to get well over $200 million from having him.

E: Plus, like I said, this debate right here is irrelevant. Come the revolution, all my sympathy towards these rich bastards would get them is the opportunity to sign over all their wealth before getting a visit from the Patriotic Shortener.


You are seriously out of touch with reality. You say management exploits people, but actors like RDJ are the ones doing the hard work. Did you forget that for in order for him to act there has to be a make-up artist, wardrobe, stunt man. and those are just the ones directly related to him. So isn't he exploiting those people. They are clearly not getting the same wages as he is. And if not for those people he would be unable to do what he does. But yet you seem to think he is a laborer. You are so far out of touch with reality it is not funny.
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It doesn't get any better than this. When little socialist piggies start making their own hard earned money - they want to keep it. They just want to take everyone else's money.
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Article one admits that rich people donate heaps to charity.
They down play this using the widow's mite parable, where the woman give from her paucity, where the rich gave from their riches.
All very nice and sounds good but the rich still make up the bulk of the charitable donations.
* Bill and Melinda Gates charitable donations - $28 billion
* Warren Buffett Charitable donations - $37 billion
* Ted Turner, ex-CEO of Turner Broadcasting System - $1.2 billion
* Mark Zuckerberg - $1.6 billion

Seems to me that they're giving their fair share. How much do you want them to give?
Gates and Buffett get a bit of a pass from me, given their whole Pledge, but even so- You pointed out earlier that $40 million is enough to set someone up for life, so these guys can afford to, and should, just give up everything above that $40 million.
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Yes, of course, before you can spend $200 million on hiring an actor, you need to have $200 million in one place to spend. However, you still need to justify why those resources need to be concentrated in one person, why Jeff Bezos owning $100 billion worth of Amazon stock is significantly better than the state of Washington owning that stock, either Olympia or the 7 million people.
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