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Old 01-28-2018, 05:16 PM   #61
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You make really good points.

I think we probably need all three types you mention. I'm not opposed to bringing in "leeches". We can and should bring in SOME from war torn areas if only from a humanitarian point of view.

The important thing is we have laws and policies. We need to screen any immigrants for ties to terrorism.

It strikes me that some of these sanctuary city mayors and AGs (California especially) just want to ignore the laws and do whatever the hell they want. Fine, you don't like the law - change it.

Immigration reform shouldn't be that tough to solve. First, you have to secure the borders. Without doing that, any reform or amnesty is a non-starter. Then come up with a policy on immigration, guest workers, etc. And, the hard right will have to concede that these DACA people will get amnesty. But no amnesty unless we stop the flow coming in and make them follow the laws.

So, in other words, nothing will likely ever get accomplished. Although, in recent days, Trump has said that he would be ok with a path to citizenship for DACA people - something even Obama didn't do.

But, the Democrats will never do a deal with him because they'd rather just oppose him at every turn.

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We need immigration reform. And, we really should look at letting more people who have skills and want to come here versus just the poorest of the poor.

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We need immigration policy, sealing our borders and actually controlling and knowing who is coming in and out of our country. You know, like most other civilized countries in the world.

Last point, that douche Vicente Fox (form Pres of Mexico) - ask that fucker what Mexican law says about illegal immigrants and their rights? What does Mexico do with people that come into the country illegally?
Not super interested in talking about Trump's gaffes, but I think the stupidity in the whole thing is that while most people would probably much rather live in Norway than in Haiti, that's pretty much irrelevant when it comes to the contribution an individual from either country will make if they immigrate here.

But about immigration:

The question about evaluating talent is sort of tricky. It's pretty easy to, say, only let people in if they're an engineer. But I think there's a lot of truth to the idea of America being a land of opportunity, and I don't just mean that as a gimmick. I think there's a lot of benefit to approaching immigration with that in mind.

A bit of a detour, but consider venture capital and the concept of a unicorn (if you're not familiar with the term, a unicorn is a startup that reaches at least 1 billion in valuation). A venture capitalist doesn't rely on all (or even most) of their investments winning. They rely on being able to pick unicorns. Screening is important, but the much more damaging mistake is missing out on a unicorn, not choosing a company that crashes and burns.

I think immigration ought to be similar, but better because the risk is a lot lower than in venture capital were you typically put in several million up front, and if a company does "alright" you're losing money. If an immigrant does "alright" they're still paying taxes and contributing to the country so it's still a win.

This is clearly simplifying but there's three types of immigrants we can let into the country:

Leeches: Immigrants who never really contribute and just end up leeching off of taxpayer money.

Contributing members to society: Immigrants who get a job, pay taxes and contribute to society. This undoubtedly makes up the bulk of immigrants.

Unicorns: Immigrants who start great companies or make some other huge contribution to the economy or society.

If we just wanted to screen for people who are going to get jobs and pay taxes, it'd be pretty easy, we can just screen people for skills. There's no screening process for finding the next Steve Jobs though. And the biggest loss we can have from immigration isn't letting in a few welfare leeches. It's passing up a unicorn and watching the thousands of jobs, and billions in GDP growth go to another country because we were too scared of letting someone in who didn't look great on paper. The tax revenue from letting in even one person like this easily offsets droves of welfare queens.

I think some government involvement in immigration is important (screening for terrorist risk, making sure we can tax people who move into the country, knowing who is in the country, etc). But trying to have the government screen talent is way too prone to "oops we passed on a unicorn" fuck ups. There are real losses to be had by overly restrictive screening, and I trust the market to screen winners much more than I trust congress to legislate ways screen them.
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You make really good points. click to show

So, in other words, nothing will likely ever get accomplished.
Although, in recent days, Trump has said that he would be ok with a path to
citizenship for DACA people - something even Obama didn't do.

But, the Democrats will never do a deal with him because they'd rather
just oppose him at every turn.
what was that you said?

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Here’s John Boehner, the likely speaker if Republicans take the House, offering his plans for Obama’s agenda: “We're going to do everything — and I mean everything we can do — to kill it, stop it, slow it down, whatever we can.”

Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell summed up his plan to National Journal: “The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president.”
<<link>>

so the best you have is to accuse Democrats of your RWNJ mantra
because you think:

• you can pretend with a straight face that it never happened

• you have convinced yourself that nobody, (especially not you), can
remember when it did happen

• if you deny history (fake news) & accuse others of your own actions
often enough you will define a new reality
but the reality is your Republican leaders were not about to let "that nigger" fuck
up our great country.
and they were gonna block him at every turn simply because he was a nigger

it sure seems to me to be a TOTAL FAIL to raise this cry of obstruction.
and you snowflakes cry like the bitches you are when you get back what
you have handed out so often to to others.

the truth is many of you are a bunch of stupid fucks who will foam
at the mouth because I posted this absolute fact.

and even though I can assure you I voted for Obama both times you will accuse
me of being a racist

fuck all that BS
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Old 01-28-2018, 07:08 PM   #63
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what was that you said?

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Here’s John Boehner, the likely speaker if Republicans take the House, offering his plans for Obama’s agenda: “We're going to do everything — and I mean everything we can do — to kill it, stop it, slow it down, whatever we can.”

Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell summed up his plan to National Journal: “The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president.”
<<link>>

so the best you have is to accuse Democrats of your RWNJ mantra
because you think:

• you can pretend with a straight face that it never happened

• you have convinced yourself that nobody, (especially not you), can
remember when it did happen

• if you deny history (fake news) & accuse others of your own actions
often enough you will define a new reality
but the reality is your Republican leaders were not about to let "that nigger" fuck
up our great country.
and they were gonna block him at every turn simply because he was a nigger

it sure seems to me to be a TOTAL FAIL to raise this cry of obstruction.
and you snowflakes cry like the bitches you are when you get back what
you have handed out so often to to others.

the truth is many of you are a bunch of stupid fucks who will foam
at the mouth because I posted this absolute fact.

and even though I can assure you I voted for Obama both times you will accuse
me of being a racist

fuck all that BS
(suck Hucks dick if you dont like it)
Plus, of course, this whole thread was started after Trump rejected a DACA compromise. He can say what he likes, but actions speak louder than words.
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what was that you said?

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Here’s John Boehner, the likely speaker if Republicans take the House, offering his plans for Obama’s agenda: “We're going to do everything — and I mean everything we can do — to kill it, stop it, slow it down, whatever we can.”

Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell summed up his plan to National Journal: “The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president.”
<<link>>

so the best you have is to accuse Democrats of your RWNJ mantra
because you think:

• you can pretend with a straight face that it never happened

• you have convinced yourself that nobody, (especially not you), can
remember when it did happen

• if you deny history (fake news) & accuse others of your own actions
often enough you will define a new reality
but the reality is your Republican leaders were not about to let "that nigger" fuck
up our great country.
and they were gonna block him at every turn simply because he was a nigger

it sure seems to me to be a TOTAL FAIL to raise this cry of obstruction.
and you snowflakes cry like the bitches you are when you get back what
you have handed out so often to to others.

the truth is many of you are a bunch of stupid fucks who will foam
at the mouth because I posted this absolute fact.

and even though I can assure you I voted for Obama both times you will accuse
me of being a racist

fuck all that BS
(suck Hucks dick if you dont like it)


Yep ramblings of a crazy guy. If you try to say the opposition was because he was black, you have already lost this conversation. If you think because you voted for Obama doesn't make you a racist, you have already lost. The fact that you pointed out that you voted for him, doesn't make you racist, is a pretty good indicator you are a racist.
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what was that you said?

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Here’s John Boehner, the likely speaker if Republicans take the House, offering his plans for Obama’s agenda: “We're going to do everything — and I mean everything we can do — to kill it, stop it, slow it down, whatever we can.”

Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell summed up his plan to National Journal: “The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president.”
<<link>>

so the best you have is to accuse Democrats of your RWNJ mantra
because you think:

• you can pretend with a straight face that it never happened

• you have convinced yourself that nobody, (especially not you), can
remember when it did happen

• if you deny history (fake news) & accuse others of your own actions
often enough you will define a new reality
but the reality is your Republican leaders were not about to let "that nigger" fuck
up our great country.
and they were gonna block him at every turn simply because he was a nigger

it sure seems to me to be a TOTAL FAIL to raise this cry of obstruction.
and you snowflakes cry like the bitches you are when you get back what
you have handed out so often to to others.

the truth is many of you are a bunch of stupid fucks who will foam
at the mouth because I posted this absolute fact.

and even though I can assure you I voted for Obama both times you will accuse
me of being a racist

fuck all that BS
(suck Hucks dick if you dont like it)
First. Chill.


Okay now let's break down what makes this post so cringeworthy so you can avoid making such a doozy of a post in the future:

1) You ignored all of the main points infantrystud made and instead chose to address the short paragraph that allowed you to make an incoherent and childishly partisan "you started it" argument. In the process you've completely derailed the discussion that was taking place, and made it look like you didn't really understand most of what you read. Whoops!

2) You used a racial slur several times followed by the classic "I'm not racist, I have a black friend voted for a black president"

3) You signed off with "suck my dick"

Hopefully this information can help you to better your posts in the future.
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2) You used a racial slur several times followed by the classic "I'm not racist, I have a black friend voted for a black president"
In his defense, those were him speaking from another's point of view to demonstrate their own bigoted opposition to the previous POTUS, not (necessarily) expressing his own views. That being said, as with any other obscene language, you can get away with using it once for impact, but more than that and it looks like you're enjoying it more than you should.
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In his defense, those were him speaking from another's point of view to demonstrate their own bigoted opposition to the previous POTUS, not expressing his own views. That being said, as with any other obscene language, you can get away with using it once for impact, but more than that and it looks like you're enjoying it more than you should.
Yeah, I just think the "I voted Obama" backtrack was a funny little bonus to the kind of distasteful explanation of something that is probably much better understood as being primarily caused by the party Obama was in rather than the color of his skin.

On a vaguely related note, the escalating trend of voting lockstep on party lines has me a little worried. To quote Maajid Nawaz "unity in politics is facism." We seem to be on a trajectory (albiet an uncertain one) toward having two competing facist parties, and if that ever happens we better pray no one of them ever comes out the winner.
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You should see some of the posts he makes about Islam...

More than cringeworthy.

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<<link>>

so the best you have is to accuse Democrats of your RWNJ mantra
because you think:

• you can pretend with a straight face that it never happened

• you have convinced yourself that nobody, (especially not you), can
remember when it did happen

• if you deny history (fake news) & accuse others of your own actions
often enough you will define a new reality
but the reality is your Republican leaders were not about to let "that nigger" fuck
up our great country.
and they were gonna block him at every turn simply because he was a nigger

it sure seems to me to be a TOTAL FAIL to raise this cry of obstruction.
and you snowflakes cry like the bitches you are when you get back what
you have handed out so often to to others.

the truth is many of you are a bunch of stupid fucks who will foam
at the mouth because I posted this absolute fact.

and even though I can assure you I voted for Obama both times you will accuse
me of being a racist

fuck all that BS
(suck Hucks dick if you dont like it)
First. Chill.


Okay now let's break down what makes this post so cringeworthy so you can avoid making such a doozy of a post in the future:

1) You ignored all of the main points infantrystud made and instead chose to address the short paragraph that allowed you to make an incoherent and childishly partisan "you started it" argument. In the process you've completely derailed the discussion that was taking place, and made it look like you didn't really understand most of what you read. Whoops!

2) You used a racial slur several times followed by the classic "I'm not racist, I have a black friend voted for a black president"

3) You signed off with "suck my dick"

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In his defense, those were him speaking from another's point of view to demonstrate their own bigoted opposition to the previous POTUS, not (necessarily) expressing his own views. That being said, as with any other obscene language, you can get away with using it once for impact, but more than that and it looks like you're enjoying it more than you should.
wow one racist coming to the defense of another lol
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On a vaguely related note, the escalating trend of voting lockstep on party lines has me a little worried. To quote Maajid Nawaz "unity in politics is facism." We seem to be on a trajectory (albiet an uncertain one) toward having two competing facist parties, and if that ever happens we better pray no one of them ever comes out the winner.
Eh. I really don't see a path for the Democrats to turn properly fascist. Possibly totalitarian, in the parodic wrongthought style, but not really fascist. The real problem is just going to come from the polarization between the parties, and the radicalization it drives. I mean, the last time we got this divided over a major moral issue, half the country turned traitor.
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Wonder how many strokes it took for Huck to nut writing n___r n___r over and over again.
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Wonder how many strokes it took for Huck to nut writing n___r n___r over and over again.
not as many as you whipped off reading it over & over again
when it lives in your heart you just wish you had the balls
and nowhere near as many as youd like to lay on me
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