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Old Today, 01:53 AM   #61
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Still fuck no, you Goddamn moron. If the flat or spherical Earth models were completely and utterly wrong, I would not arrive at the pub or in Sydney, I would land in Safeway or something. I arrive at my destination because these models are close enough to accurate. Isaac Asimov on the subject.
As long as we're making wild claims, we don't have really accurate data for the curvature of the Earth, so it might actually be donut-shaped. No, we have limited and pretty-close-to-accurate data, so even if we can't nail down anthropogenic vs volcanic carbon emissions to three decimal places, we can at least establish the basic facts that volcanoes produce a noticeable amount of CO2, and that humans produce a whole fucking lot more.
More of proving point, if you followed those models you wouldn't arrive at your destination. But your using the power of observation to correct for the failure of the models. You can follow the straight line of a flat map and get close to the pub and then look over and go oh there it is.
What you're saying is that I would not arrive at my destination, but that I would arrive close enough, within an acceptable margin of error?

Alternatively, if you want to hold firm on this, then the Newtonian heliocentric model is completely and utterly wrong, since its prediction for the precession of the perihelion of Mercury was off by 43 arc-seconds per century.

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But you can't say humans produce a lot more. It is all estimated , based on fuel sales. The actual amount produced for most part remains unmeasured so again wild numbers based on an estimate with several unknowns. You ain't even going to get close.
Burton doesn't know how much CO2 volcanoes emit either, he's just making estimates based on his own measurements. So either a) we accept that we don't really know anything about anything maaan or b) we can make some decent estimates based on what we do know.
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More of proving point, if you followed those models you wouldn't arrive at your destination. But your using the power of observation to correct for the failure of the models. You can follow the straight line of a flat map and get close to the pub and then look over and go oh there it is.
What you're saying is that I would not arrive at my destination, but that I would arrive close enough, within an acceptable margin of error?

Alternatively, if you want to hold firm on this, then the Newtonian heliocentric model is completely and utterly wrong, since its prediction for the precession of the perihelion of Mercury was off by 43 arc-seconds per century.

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But you can't say humans produce a lot more. It is all estimated , based on fuel sales. The actual amount produced for most part remains unmeasured so again wild numbers based on an estimate with several unknowns. You ain't even going to get close.
Burton doesn't know how much CO2 volcanoes emit either, he's just making estimates based on his own measurements. So either a) we accept that we don't really know anything about anything maaan or b) we can make some decent estimates based on what we do know.


No what I said is you used power of observation to correct for the inaccuracies. Also again you are trying to compare oranges and apples. All the heliocentric math proved was that earth was not the center of the universe. Which just makes my point your trying to claim accuracies out the climate models, but then saying look lack of data caused this model to be inaccurate. Your arguing against your self at this point.


You can't make a decent estimate. You have current models based on what we measured. You have burton saying hey look here is all this co2 we are missing. I don't know how much we are missing but I know we are missing this. So with lack of data you can't estimate anything.
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What you're saying is that I would not arrive at my destination, but that I would arrive close enough, within an acceptable margin of error?

Alternatively, if you want to hold firm on this, then the Newtonian heliocentric model is completely and utterly wrong, since its prediction for the precession of the perihelion of Mercury was off by 43 arc-seconds per century.

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But you can't say humans produce a lot more. It is all estimated , based on fuel sales. The actual amount produced for most part remains unmeasured so again wild numbers based on an estimate with several unknowns. You ain't even going to get close.
Burton doesn't know how much CO2 volcanoes emit either, he's just making estimates based on his own measurements. So either a) we accept that we don't really know anything about anything maaan or b) we can make some decent estimates based on what we do know.
No what I said is you used power of observation to correct for the inaccuracies. Also again you are trying to compare oranges and apples. All the heliocentric math proved was that earth was not the center of the universe. Which just makes my point your trying to claim accuracies out the climate models, but then saying look lack of data caused this model to be inaccurate. Your arguing against your self at this point.
There's a reason I specified the Newtonian heliocentric model, because that model proves that the Sun does not orbit the Earth, the Earth orbits the sun, and furthermore that orbit looks like this. Except it's wrong, as I pointed out earlier, because orbits do not look exactly like that.
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You can't make a decent estimate. You have current models based on what we measured. You have burton saying hey look here is all this co2 we are missing. I don't know how much we are missing but I know we are missing this. So with lack of data you can't estimate anything.
Except that Burton himself acknowledged that his estimates are based on limited data, so either you're full of shit and we can in fact make estimates from limited data, or you're full of shit and we really don't have any reason at all to believe that volcanoes produce more than a tenth the CO2 humans produce.
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