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Old 07-01-2017, 05:25 PM   #41
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Jesus H Tapdancing Christ you illiterate fucking shithead, read the Goddamn article and don't just stop at the part where it's farther left than you are. You might actually find some of their points useful to your argument.
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which part are you so fucking interested in? the part where they say if they had used bush as the base it would be very different? or the part where it says he did absolutely nothing to control the spending in the near future?
Yeah, actually, and particularly that the "reduced deficits 75%" factoid is only technically correct because we're comparing it to a) Bush's last b) abnormally large budget. However, those caveats aside, that statement is not a lie, so it's Mostly True.
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Funny. I don't hate conservatives. What I hate is people like you who either ignore facts, make up facts, or just don't care.

Let's look at two satements you made, here's the first:
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But lest talk about one that is undeniable, the U.S. National Debt. Obama say to cut the deficit by a third, but when he took office the debt was at 10.6 Trillion, the day before his first budget too effect (9/30/2009) it was at 11.9 Trillion. Today still several months away from the end of the Last Obama Budget, it stands at 19.8 Trillion, an increase of 7.9 Trillion, more then any other president in raw dollar, and a 67% increase, if you want to go by percentage, more then any other President in history, outside of a major (i.e. WWII) war.
Obama added 68% (close enough to your 67%). George W Bush added 101%. George HW Bush added 54% in only 4 years. But the champion is Saint Ronald Reagan at 186%. So of the last three Republican presidents only Bush 41 was lower, but he only had four years. We can only guess at the damage if he had another four years.


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OK, I may only have a minor in Math, having taken up to Partial Differential equations, but how is it possible to have cut the Deficit by three quarters, and yet add more to the U.S. total dept then any other previous president? Really, how is such possible?
I too took calculus but it only takes simple arithmetic to understand how deficits can be cut but debt continue to grow. As long as there is a deficit the debt will grow, even if the deficit is cut 99%.

Facts here

Both Bush's had WARS to pay for, Obama had his, self proclaimed, economic boom times, no reduction in taxes rates, and yet added more to the dept, in terms of raw dollars, then two war time Presidents COMBINED!
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Dumbass. We're talking about debt in dollars. And you link to something about debt as percent of GDP.
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It funny in every article that agrees with your numbers there is always a big giant WELL. Well if you factor in this number Obama actually only spent this. Well if you factor in this thing Obama only had this percentage. Why don't you try some real number instead of numbers that use a WELL lets throw this number in the bunch to make Obama look better.
It would be nice if you could understand a relatively simple article. The only "well" in that article was moving $253B in spending from Bush's last year into Obama's total. It had the effect of increasing (rightly so) Obama's debt and decreasing Bush's. But since you have no argument that makes sense you feel the need to make a specious attack. Sad.
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actually as usual you are wrong

FY2009 $1.16 trillion. ($1.413 trillion minus $253 billion from Obama's Stimulus Act)
FY 2010 - $1.547 ($1.294 trillion plus $253 billion from the Obama Stimulus Act that was attached to the FY 2009 budget)

you guys talk about right wing math lol what a joke, liberal math = 1.547 trillion - 1.16 trillion = 20 billion

used same source as yours to prove you wrong
Yeah, I used the word deficit rather than debt in my post. But we were talking about increases in debt and I linked to a source about increases in debt, not deficits. With the discussion of debt and the link to debt you should have been able to figure out that simple mistake on my part.
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Both Bush's had WARS to pay for, Obama had his, self proclaimed, economic boom times, no reduction in taxes rates, and yet added more to the dept, in terms of raw dollars, then two war time Presidents COMBINED!
You don't think Obama was still paying for Bush 43's wars? Hell, even Trump is still paying for Bush's wars. Take off the blinders!
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actually as usual you are wrong

FY2009 $1.16 trillion. ($1.413 trillion minus $253 billion from Obama's Stimulus Act)
FY 2010 - $1.547 ($1.294 trillion plus $253 billion from the Obama Stimulus Act that was attached to the FY 2009 budget)

you guys talk about right wing math lol what a joke, liberal math = 1.547 trillion - 1.16 trillion = 20 billion

used same source as yours to prove you wrong
Yeah, I used the word deficit rather than debt in my post. But we were talking about increases in debt and I linked to a source about increases in debt, not deficits. With the discussion of debt and the link to debt you should have been able to figure out that simple mistake on my part.
Well to be honest, I didn't read many of your previous posts and Darth and I were talking about the deficit rather than debt, so I assumed that was what your previous posts were about, so sorry for making the assumption that your conversation was on the same subject as mine.
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Dumbass. We're talking about debt in dollars. And you link to something about debt as percent of GDP.

Hey dumbass, you said you were open to other sources that supported facts you don't believe. You didn't specify on what the source had to be. Or what the calculation were based on. So I did just as you asked and provided you with alternatanive numbers. So if I'm the dumbask for doing exactely what you asked what does that make you.
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It funny in every article that agrees with your numbers there is always a big giant WELL. Well if you factor in this number Obama actually only spent this. Well if you factor in this thing Obama only had this percentage. Why don't you try some real number instead of numbers that use a WELL lets throw this number in the bunch to make Obama look better.
It would be nice if you could understand a relatively simple article. The only "well" in that article was moving $253B in spending from Bush's last year into Obama's total. It had the effect of increasing (rightly so) Obama's debt and decreasing Bush's. But since you have no argument that makes sense you feel the need to make a specious attack. Sad.

Yes realtively simple article. That you still didn't catch the well in. How does it start out, the most popular method of calculating debt is done in this manner. But we don't like those numbers so we will calculate it this way. Yes your article was simple, and you still didn't understand the very simple English at the beginning of the article.
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actually as usual you are wrong

FY2009 $1.16 trillion. ($1.413 trillion minus $253 billion from Obama's Stimulus Act)
FY 2010 - $1.547 ($1.294 trillion plus $253 billion from the Obama Stimulus Act that was attached to the FY 2009 budget)

you guys talk about right wing math lol what a joke, liberal math = 1.547 trillion - 1.16 trillion = 20 billion

used same source as yours to prove you wrong
Yeah, I used the word deficit rather than debt in my post. But we were talking about increases in debt and I linked to a source about increases in debt, not deficits. With the discussion of debt and the link to debt you should have been able to figure out that simple mistake on my part.


Ya cause people should just know what your talking about it.
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Both Bush's had WARS to pay for, Obama had his, self proclaimed, economic boom times, no reduction in taxes rates, and yet added more to the dept, in terms of raw dollars, then two war time Presidents COMBINED!
You don't think Obama was still paying for Bush 43's wars? Hell, even Trump is still paying for Bush's wars. Take off the blinders!

1) The Wars were over long before Obama too office (just like Bush 41's war was over long before CLinton too office). So Obama was dealing with clean up and peace keeping. So why did it cost so much more?

2) Obama promised to get the U.S. out of Afghanistan and Iraq! So the cost to him should have been even less.

3) Where was the Economic boom you says happened or is happening?
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Dumbass. We're talking about debt in dollars. And you link to something about debt as percent of GDP.

Hey dumbass, you said you were open to other sources that supported facts you don't believe. You didn't specify on what the source had to be. Or what the calculation were based on. So I did just as you asked and provided you with alternatanive numbers. So if I'm the dumbask for doing exactely what you asked what does that make you.
No. I said I was open to other sources. Since the discussion was about debt those sources should have been about debt, not deficit. Another surce about the topid is one thing, another source that's not about the topic is stupid.
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1) The Wars were over long before Obama too office (just like Bush 41's war was over long before CLinton too office). So Obama was dealing with clean up and peace keeping. So why did it cost so much more?

2) Obama promised to get the U.S. out of Afghanistan and Iraq! So the cost to him should have been even less.

3) Where was the Economic boom you says happened or is happening?
1,2) The wars were not over when Obama took office and the end of a war does not mean the end of paying for it. Equipment and arms get depleted during a war and must be rebuilt. Costs continue for troops that were built up for the war. etc.
3) You can pick and choose statistics to try to make your point. 75 straight months of job growth is just one that shows the economy is not as bad a the RWNJs would have you believe. BTW, I never said there was an economic boom, but I've said it's doing reasonably well and it's definitely not as bad as the Obama haters try to make out.

I could also have mentioned in my earlier post Bush's tax cuts that blew up the deficit. Tax cuts are great when the government is running a surplus but they suck when already in a deficit. I'd rather tax the people enough to cover the spending than cut the taxes and borrow the money. Our children and grandchildren should not be paying for our profligacy.
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It would be nice if you could understand a relatively simple article. The only "well" in that article was moving $253B in spending from Bush's last year into Obama's total. It had the effect of increasing (rightly so) Obama's debt and decreasing Bush's. But since you have no argument that makes sense you feel the need to make a specious attack. Sad.

Yes realtively simple article. That you still didn't catch the well in. How does it start out, the most popular method of calculating debt is done in this manner. But we don't like those numbers so we will calculate it this way. Yes your article was simple, and you still didn't understand the very simple English at the beginning of the article.
I should have known you wouldn't understand even that simple article. The "well" you're referring to here relates to which fiscal year each president is responsible for and points out that when a new president is inaugurated the budget for that year belongs to his predecessor. Are you dumb enough to argue with that concept?
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1) The Wars were over long before Obama too office (just like Bush 41's war was over long before CLinton too office). So Obama was dealing with clean up and peace keeping. So why did it cost so much more?

2) Obama promised to get the U.S. out of Afghanistan and Iraq! So the cost to him should have been even less.

3) Where was the Economic boom you says happened or is happening?
1,2) The wars were not over when Obama took office and the end of a war does not mean the end of paying for it. Equipment and arms get depleted during a war and must be rebuilt. Costs continue for troops that were built up for the war. etc.
3) You can pick and choose statistics to try to make your point. 75 straight months of job growth is just one that shows the economy is not as bad a the RWNJs would have you believe. BTW, I never said there was an economic boom, but I've said it's doing reasonably well and it's definitely not as bad as the Obama haters try to make out.

I could also have mentioned in my earlier post Bush's tax cuts that blew up the deficit. Tax cuts are great when the government is running a surplus but they suck when already in a deficit. I'd rather tax the people enough to cover the spending than cut the taxes and borrow the money. Our children and grandchildren should not be paying for our profligacy.

The first two years Obama was in office he had a Majority in the house and a Filibuster proof majority in the Senate, why did they not pass a tax increase?

My your argument WWII and Korea are still going on, since we have had troop stationed in South Korea, Japan, and Germany since the supposed end of those wars!

You say 75 Straight Months of Job Growth, that is more then six years, meaning it had to start in 2010. Also what are the number of we remove jobs that requried H1B visa, and those that when to illegal Aliens (what you and the left called undocumented immigrants, despite the fact they are not immigrants) How many jobs were they counted that were created overseas thank to the lies the ARRA allow to be told to the American people? IF so many jobs were created why did wages in the U.S. go down? Why did I, the holder of an advance technical degree, only get one call for an interview for a job throughout the entire eight years of the Obama Administration, and that was from a friend who needed an Adjunct professor with my skill set? Why did I never receive any raises at any of my jobs for the entire eight years of the Obama Administration despite you so called booming economy?
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Hey dumbass, you said you were open to other sources that supported facts you don't believe. You didn't specify on what the source had to be. Or what the calculation were based on. So I did just as you asked and provided you with alternatanive numbers. So if I'm the dumbask for doing exactely what you asked what does that make you.
No. I said I was open to other sources. Since the discussion was about debt those sources should have been about debt, not deficit. Another surce about the topid is one thing, another source that's not about the topic is stupid.


Dumbs hit you said deficit. I am not a mid reader. You fucked up then you got the nerve to call me a dumbass for your fuck up. Dear lord your sorry
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Yes realtively simple article. That you still didn't catch the well in. How does it start out, the most popular method of calculating debt is done in this manner. But we don't like those numbers so we will calculate it this way. Yes your article was simple, and you still didn't understand the very simple English at the beginning of the article.
I should have known you wouldn't understand even that simple article. The "well" you're referring to here relates to which fiscal year each president is responsible for and points out that when a new president is inaugurated the budget for that year belongs to his predecessor. Are you dumb enough to argue with that concept?

I wasn't arguing with anything as I did fully understand the article. But you once again don't understand simple english. Then even go where there is a well in the article and ask if I want to argue against it. So you just defeated yourself . Simply because you can't simple english
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The first two years Obama was in office he had a Majority in the house and a Filibuster proof majority in the Senate, why did they not pass a tax increase?
Too bad you can't be bothered to look up anything that might be contrary to what your biases are. The Democrats had a max of 58 senators. If you add in the two independents that caucused with the Democrats that brings the total to 60. But that ignores two important points. It did not last through the whole two years. Kennedy (D) died early in the 111th Congress (2009-2011) and was replaced by Brown (R). Burris (D), who was appointed to replace Obama, was replaced by Kirk (R). That's not to mention the fact that there were about 20 Blue Dog Democrats who certainly could not have been counted on to follow the party line.


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My your argument WWII and Korea are still going on, since we have had troop stationed in South Korea, Japan, and Germany since the supposed end of those wars!
That's true. It could certainly be said that we're paying for those wars too. Although I would argue with Japan and Germany. While troops in South Korea are still aligned against North Korea the troops in Japan and Germany are not aligned against Japan or Germany.

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You say 75 Straight Months of Job Growth, that is more then six years, meaning it had to start in 2010. Also what are the number of we remove jobs that requried H1B visa, and those that when to illegal Aliens (what you and the left called undocumented immigrants, despite the fact they are not immigrants) How many jobs were they counted that were created overseas thank to the lies the ARRA allow to be told to the American people?
Can you put any numbers to those? Of course not, because even if the number of H1B visas did increase it was immaterial to the overall job growth. Since the number of visas issued each year is capped and they expire after a certain number of years you could calculate the maximum number of holders working in the US as the number of visas multiplied by the number of years. But since the caps haven't changed during this period there would be no change in the number of holders working and therefore no impact on jobs added. The number of illegal immigrants has remained stable, in fact it has gone down slightly..



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IF so many jobs were created why did wages in the U.S. go down?
Another canard. Wages did not go down. Cite any reliable source that says so, go ahead, give it a try. Hint: Editorials on RWNJ sites are not reliable sources. Look at something other than YouTube videos. Try something like The Federal Reserve Bank of Atlanta or St. Louis.

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Why did I, the holder of an advance technical degree, only get one call for an interview for a job throughout the entire eight years of the Obama Administration, and that was from a friend who needed an Adjunct professor with my skill set? Why did I never receive any raises at any of my jobs for the entire eight years of the Obama Administration despite you so called booming economy?
Boo hoo hoo. Nothing is your fault, everthing is someone else's fault. I wouldn't hire someone who needs a proof reader, nor would I hire someone who carries not only a chip on his shoulder but a whole fucking woodpile.
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I should have known you wouldn't understand even that simple article. The "well" you're referring to here relates to which fiscal year each president is responsible for and points out that when a new president is inaugurated the budget for that year belongs to his predecessor. Are you dumb enough to argue with that concept?

I wasn't arguing with anything as I did fully understand the article. But you once again don't understand simple english. Then even go where there is a well in the article and ask if I want to argue against it. So you just defeated yourself . Simply because you can't simple english
You weren't arguing with anything while arguing that the "well" in the article made it invalid? I'm rolling on the floor laughing.
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I wasn't arguing with anything as I did fully understand the article. But you once again don't understand simple english. Then even go where there is a well in the article and ask if I want to argue against it. So you just defeated yourself . Simply because you can't simple english
You weren't arguing with anything while arguing that the "well" in the article made it invalid? I'm rolling on the floor laughing.


No dumb shit saying the article has a well is a statement. You agreeing that the article has a well then there is zero argument. And simply it's not that article that I valid it's your argument. Your wrong you have proven with your own words your wrong but yet you still continue to argue like have said idiotic things
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