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Old 06-22-2017, 02:43 AM   #61
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What are you twelve. Why don't you go ahead and call me icky poo pants why your at it. Again you show how sad you are.
This is interesting. Too bad you don't understand what you just did.

Keep it up, You're showing your colors.

Ok and now your down to not even making sence.
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Old 06-22-2017, 12:29 PM   #62
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All I can say is you're wrong. And, maybe at the rank/level you were at you didn't have a full understanding of the law or intelligence oversight or non-disclosure.

Leaking classified information is a crime.

When you're in the intelligence community go tell a reporter, "he, while collecting on the Russians, we heard Mike Flynn's conversation with the Russian Ambassador on _______ date". Leaking that is a crime because those facts are COMINT and thus classified.

USPER (US persons) have protections under laws. Now, I realize you give two shits about Flynn's rights being violated because you don't like him or Trump. But, fortunately, that's not how the laws work.

I'll say this, its too bad you still aren't in the USAF, we could test your theory. I'd like to see you release/leak the fact that 1) you were collecting on a USPER and 2) naming that USPER and 3) who exactly that USPER was speaking with. I'm sure you'd get a not so friendly visit from OSI.

I'm still not sure if you really misunderstand this or are just wanting to argue. So, lets discuss reasons why these things are classified. First, it "telegraphs" to our adversaries our capabilities. Sure, some of them know the capabilities quite well already. But, often times they aren't completely sure. For example, if Flynn were talking to the Ambassador over a secure connection (doubtful), that would tell the Russians our capabilities since the mere fact that the conversation happened was leaked. Maybe they were communicating via a secure app (doubtful) - again, it would tell the Russians "oh shit, they can collect on these apps". What if the Russian Ambassador was using a burner phone that only say, his top security expert knew about? And, that guy was one of our spies? That is, he alerted us to collect on that phone - maybe we even provided the phone. That asset might be placed into jeopardy. Maybe now you get the point. Sources and methods... You don't have to actually state the source and the method in the press for our adversaries to figure it out. They aren't stupid. I'm not saying this is indeed, the case, but this leak could have led to an human source/asset being uncovered and at a minimum, they're no longer an asset. And, most likely rotting away in a prison or dead.

All these 2nd and 3rd order effects are reasons why we have non-disclosure statements we sign and laws we must follow.

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COMINT was leaked. Its all over the news. How else do we know that General Flynn spoke with the Russian ambassador?

Were you an officer or enlisted in the USAF?

I know what COMINT is, and what was leaked was not COMINT. Leaking of the fact that his name was unmasked and that he was picked up by COMINT does not make the leak COMINT material.

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All I can say is you're wrong. And, maybe at the rank/level you were at you didn't have a full understanding of the law or intelligence oversight or non-disclosure.
You don't understand how USAFSS worked. It was the enlisted personnel that ran the show. Officers on the ground were only administrative and officers in the air were only pilots, navigators and EWOs (we referred to them as bus drivers). I think the reason is that the officers weren't smart enough to do the job. LOL. As a group we were treated as well as the Air Force possibly could. For instance, my TDY orders were issued each three months for a three month period and said anywhere, anytime, priority travel on AF planes and if I flew commercial I flew first class. Promotions were almost automatic until you reached E6, if you had time in grade you could pretty much count on the promotion. There weren't many slots for E7s so there was some competition for that promotion. If I could have done that job as a civilian I would have done it for many more years.
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All I can say is you're wrong. And, maybe at the rank/level you were at you didn't have a full understanding of the law or intelligence oversight or non-disclosure.
You don't understand how USAFSS worked. It was the enlisted personnel that ran the show. Officers on the ground were only administrative and officers in the air were only pilots, navigators and EWOs (we referred to them as bus drivers). I think the reason is that the officers weren't smart enough to do the job. LOL. As a group we were treated as well as the Air Force possibly could. For instance, my TDY orders were issued each three months for a three month period and said anywhere, anytime, priority travel on AF planes and if I flew commercial I flew first class. Promotions were almost automatic until you reached E6, if you had time in grade you could pretty much count on the promotion. There weren't many slots for E7s so there was some competition for that promotion. If I could have done that job as a civilian I would have done it for many more years.
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