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Old 04-20-2017, 12:44 AM   #1
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After riots and violent protests in and around their campus during the past three months, officials at the University of California at Berkeley said Wednesday that the school is canceling a planned speech by conservative firebrand Ann Coulter because of safety concerns.

In a letter to a campus Republican group that invited Coulter to speak, university officials said that they made the decision to cancel Coulter’s appearance after assessing the violence that flared on campus in February, when the same college Republican group invited right-wing provocateur and Breitbart editor Milo Yiannopoulos to speak...

Coulter said the university insisted that her speech take place in the middle of the day, that only students could attend, and that the exact venue wouldn’t be announced until the last minute. She said that she agreed with the conditions, but that apparently wasn’t good enough.

“They just up and announced that I was prohibited from speaking anyway,” Coulter said...

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Oh my word. Ann Coulter has been prohibited from speaking? Did they cut out her tongue? Did they at least get her Fox News show cancelled? Or did they just cancel her engagement at the university?
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Oh my word. Ann Coulter has been prohibited from speaking? Did they cut out her tongue? Did they at least get her Fox News show cancelled? Or did they just cancel her engagement at the university?
They canceled it because of the incredibly violent left wing lunatics that riot and destroy everything if they don't get their way
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Apparently, the snowflake left just cant bear to hear anyone from the right speak.

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Oh my word. Ann Coulter has been prohibited from speaking? Did they cut out her tongue? Did they at least get her Fox News show cancelled? Or did they just cancel her engagement at the university?
Close- They can't bear to give a platform to anybody from the right, which is immensely more reasonable IMO, although Berkeley is still full of crazy people. Regardless, though, this kinda neuters ASHSON's entire point.
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Close- They can't bear to give a platform to anybody from the right, which is immensely more reasonable IMO, although Berkeley is still full of crazy people. Regardless, though, this kinda neuters ASHSON's entire point.
How does this neuter my point?
Offering violence or the threat of violence seems to be the accepted way of shutting people up. Only permitting specific points of view to be spoken isn't my idea of free speech. You should see the trouble we have with it here. People are starting to get really fed up with it. Trouble is looming.
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How many videos have I seen of Trump telling the crowd and security to “get 'em out of here”? There's currently at least one lawsuit that contends Trump incited violence at his rallies. Who is outraged, left or right, depends on which side you stand.
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How many videos have I seen of Trump telling the crowd and security to “get 'em out of here”? There's currently at least one lawsuit that contends Trump incited violence at his rallies. Who is outraged, left or right, depends on which side you stand.
From what I gathered from independent news sources a lot of the trouble at Trump rallies were deliberately fomented by Anti-Trump people going along to cause the trouble. Trump wouldn't order his security to get people out if they weren't actively causing trouble.
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Show me how his campaign was funded(even in part) from tax payers through the government like UC-Berkley is, that is the problem, it is unconstitutional to censor who can speak, if this was New York University there is no problem since NYU is a private university, but UC-Berkley is a public school,
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How many videos have I seen of Trump telling the crowd and security to “get 'em out of here”? There's currently at least one lawsuit that contends Trump incited violence at his rallies. Who is outraged, left or right, depends on which side you stand.

You seem to be rather confused. Trump having people removed that were causing a disturbance, is quite different than insiting a riot to keep someone from speaking.
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Close- They can't bear to give a platform to anybody from the right, which is immensely more reasonable IMO, although Berkeley is still full of crazy people. Regardless, though, this kinda neuters ASHSON's entire point.
How does this neuter my point?
He's saying that, because she still has a tongue, and still has her TV show, that her right to free speech was not violated. He's wrong, but that's what he's saying.
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Apples and oranges. Trump is responding to protesters that start disrupting his speeches. Usually security is already responding to them. Trump just provides commentary. They are allowed to protest but are not allowed to disrupt the event. There's a difference.

These nuts out in Berkley are trying to burn the place down at the very idea of Coulter speaking. Which is why it gets cancelled.

The left essentially "wins" because they cause such a public safety hazard that the university has to place restrictions and eventually cancel events.



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Close- They can't bear to give a platform to anybody from the right, which is immensely more reasonable IMO, although Berkeley is still full of crazy people. Regardless, though, this kinda neuters ASHSON's entire point.
How does this neuter my point?
Offering violence or the threat of violence seems to be the accepted way of shutting people up. Only permitting specific points of view to be spoken isn't my idea of free speech. You should see the trouble we have with it here. People are starting to get really fed up with it. Trouble is looming.
Except that, again, Ann Coulter is absolutely free to speak her mind. The protesters shut down the ability of UC Berkeley to ask her to speak, which is a very different and much more limited thing. If they could actually get her legally silenced across the country, you might have a point, but as it stands, this isn't fascism, it's just some very loud and crazy protesters.
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How does this neuter my point?
He's saying that, because she still has a tongue, and still has her TV show, that her right to free speech was not violated. He's wrong, but that's what he's saying.
How am I wrong? The first amendment guarantees her right to speak her mind without fear of government censorship, it does not guarantee a right to a platform.
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He's saying that, because she still has a tongue, and still has her TV show, that her right to free speech was not violated. He's wrong, but that's what he's saying.
How am I wrong? The first amendment guarantees her right to speak her mind without fear of government censorship, it does not guarantee a right to a platform.
you are wrong because UC-Berkley is a government funded school, so indirectly it is government censorship
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How am I wrong? The first amendment guarantees her right to speak her mind without fear of government censorship, it does not guarantee a right to a platform.
you are wrong because UC-Berkley is a government funded school, so indirectly it is government censorship
And not guaranteeing a place to speak (or, more to the point, rescinding that guarantee) is the same thing as censorship.
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you are wrong because UC-Berkley is a government funded school, so indirectly it is government censorship
And not guaranteeing a place to speak (or, more to the point, rescinding that guarantee) is the same thing as censorship.
She has the right to a public forum, but now you have to prove that a speaking engagement Bonghit Hall is a public forum, and not a semi-privately held platform, to which the university is well within its rights to grant or deny access.
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Food stamps stimulate the economy, tax cuts don't, tax rates are at a historic low, welfare queens are either non-existent or embarrassingly near.
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She has the right to a public forum, but now you have to prove that a speaking engagement Bonghit Hall is a public forum, and not a semi-privately held platform, to which the university is well within its rights to grant or deny access.
There is a slight difference between someone granting or denying access because that is what they want to do and someone denying access because they have been coerced into doing so. That act of coercion is illegal and the University should be ashamed for buckling under to it.
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She has the right to a public forum, but now you have to prove that a speaking engagement Bonghit Hall is a public forum, and not a semi-privately held platform, to which the university is well within its rights to grant or deny access.
There is a slight difference between someone granting or denying access because that is what they want to do and someone denying access because they have been coerced into doing so. That act of coercion is illegal and the University should be ashamed for buckling under to it.
That's not the important part of the question, though. If she doesn't have a First Amendment right to speak there, it doesn't matter whether the engagement was cancelled due to threats of violent protest, because the Young Republicans changed their minds, or because the UC Board of Regents was grumpy that morning.
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