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Old 03-25-2017, 10:29 AM   #1
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A) We do already have a solid vetting system for keeping out terrorists, so if that's all you're concerned about, problem already solved.
B) You're looking at people who've lost everything in a civil war, and saying "Well normally we'd be happy to take you in and give you shelter, but we're too concerned about the possibility that you'd hurt us." That sounds plenty heartless and un-Christian to me.
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It's very un-Christian. Also un-American.
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Dammit Ray, we've been through this. How do you vet someone from Syria? How do you vet someone from Yemen?

Its funny because many on the left point out that, "well, we face more of a threat from places like Morocco (key supplier of ISIS fighters)" and we CAN reasonably vet people from Morocco. But, we don't have investigators on the ground in these countries that are listed. I've explained this to you before. Why are you willfully ignorant?


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A) We do already have a solid vetting system for keeping out terrorists, so if that's all you're concerned about, problem already solved.
B) You're looking at people who've lost everything in a civil war, and saying "Well normally we'd be happy to take you in and give you shelter, but we're too concerned about the possibility that you'd hurt us." That sounds plenty heartless and un-Christian to me.
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A) We do already have a solid vetting system for keeping out terrorists, so if that's all you're concerned about, problem already solved.
B) You're looking at people who've lost everything in a civil war, and saying "Well normally we'd be happy to take you in and give you shelter, but we're too concerned about the possibility that you'd hurt us." That sounds plenty heartless and un-Christian to me.
And the vetting system works so well that only a few terrorists actually get through. Of course, there is also the problem of the children of refugees being indoctrinated in Islam and becoming radical Islamic terrorists, but it's probably un-Christian to mention that.

Is it un-Christian to point out that we can give them food and shelter in Europe and Asia, providing for them until they can safely go home? And do it at far less expense than bringing them to the US, thus being able to help even more of them.

Is it un-Christian to point out that you endanger your own people to assist those of a society that has repeatedly demonstrated its unwillingness to merge peacefully with other societies?

How many of us must die to satisfy your righteous feelings of doing good to your fellow man?

Consider the current crop of migrants. When our young men go to war they leave their women and children somewhere safe. Young Muslim men are emigrating to somewhere safe, leaving their women and children in the war zone. Over seventy percent of the current 'refugees' are young men. Maybe I'm doing them a dis-service. Maybe they are moving into a war zone, because they intend to make it one.
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Is it un-Christian to point out that you endanger your own people to assist those of a society that has repeatedly demonstrated its unwillingness to merge peacefully with other societies?

How many of us must die to satisfy your righteous feelings of doing good to your fellow man?

Consider the current crop of migrants. When our young men go to war they leave their women and children somewhere safe. Young Muslim men are emigrating to somewhere safe, leaving their women and children in the war zone. Over seventy percent of the current 'refugees' are young men. Maybe I'm doing them a dis-service. Maybe they are moving into a war zone, because they intend to make it one.

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Dammit Ray, we've been through this. How do you vet someone from Syria? How do you vet someone from Yemen?

Its funny because many on the left point out that, "well, we face more of a threat from places like Morocco (key supplier of ISIS fighters)" and we CAN reasonably vet people from Morocco. But, we don't have investigators on the ground in these countries that are listed. I've explained this to you before. Why are you willfully ignorant?
With 18-24 months of interviews, according to the State Department. Please direct any further inquiries regarding their process to them.
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Dammit Ray, we've been through this. How do you vet someone from Syria? How do you vet someone from Yemen?
Simple. If they don't pass the vetting they don't get in. If it can't be established that they are what they say they are (because Syrian or Yemeni records are shit) then they can't pass the vetting.
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A) We do already have a solid vetting system for keeping out terrorists, so if that's all you're concerned about, problem already solved.
B) You're looking at people who've lost everything in a civil war, and saying "Well normally we'd be happy to take you in and give you shelter, but we're too concerned about the possibility that you'd hurt us." That sounds plenty heartless and un-Christian to me.
And the vetting system works so well that only a few terrorists actually get through. Of course, there is also the problem of the children of refugees being indoctrinated in Islam and becoming radical Islamic terrorists, but it's probably un-Christian to mention that.

Is it un-Christian to point out that we can give them food and shelter in Europe and Asia, providing for them until they can safely go home? And do it at far less expense than bringing them to the US, thus being able to help even more of them.

Is it un-Christian to point out that you endanger your own people to assist those of a society that has repeatedly demonstrated its unwillingness to merge peacefully with other societies?

How many of us must die to satisfy your righteous feelings of doing good to your fellow man?

Consider the current crop of migrants. When our young men go to war they leave their women and children somewhere safe. Young Muslim men are emigrating to somewhere safe, leaving their women and children in the war zone. Over seventy percent of the current 'refugees' are young men. Maybe I'm doing them a dis-service. Maybe they are moving into a war zone, because they intend to make it one.
First- would somebody mind retrieving my eyes, I think they rolled right out of my head. Second- I am not a theologian, but to my mind it's not un-Christian or un-American to acknowledge and make accommodations for these issues, it only crosses the line when you decide that the country is no longer open to the homeless, tempest-tossed, never mind the wretched refuse of the teeming shores or the huddled masses yearning to breathe free.
Or, more clearly because you're a Goddamn moron- I'm OK with vetting Syrian refugees to make sure the people we take in are ISIS victims rather than agents, I'm not OK with banning all those refugees including the ones we should be helping.
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I'm not OK with banning all those refugees including the ones we should be helping.
No-one has said that all refugees should be banned.
There are far more refugees than places to put them. As you can only take a limited number then surely you have the right to select those that will best fit in with a Western culture?
The fact that there is a hold on refugees from some countries while improved vetting takes place is actually a plus. It means when the intake from those countries resumes we can feel a lot more confident about who we're letting in.

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A) We do already have a solid vetting system for keeping out terrorists, so if that's all you're concerned about, problem already solved.
B) You're looking at people who've lost everything in a civil war, and saying "Well normally we'd be happy to take you in and give you shelter, but we're too concerned about the possibility that you'd hurt us." That sounds plenty heartless and un-Christian to me.
And the vetting system works so well that only a few terrorists actually get through. Of course, there is also the problem of the children of refugees being indoctrinated in Islam and becoming radical Islamic terrorists, but it's probably un-Christian to mention that.

Is it un-Christian to point out that we can give them food and shelter in Europe and Asia, providing for them until they can safely go home? And do it at far less expense than bringing them to the US, thus being able to help even more of them.

Is it un-Christian to point out that you endanger your own people to assist those of a society that has repeatedly demonstrated its unwillingness to merge peacefully with other societies?

How many of us must die to satisfy your righteous feelings of doing good to your fellow man?

Consider the current crop of migrants. When our young men go to war they leave their women and children somewhere safe. Young Muslim men are emigrating to somewhere safe, leaving their women and children in the war zone. Over seventy percent of the current 'refugees' are young men. Maybe I'm doing them a dis-service. Maybe they are moving into a war zone, because they intend to make it one.

That 70% statistic is bullshit, but I expect as much from you. Troll better.
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And the vetting system works so well that only a few terrorists actually get through. Of course, there is also the problem of the children of refugees being indoctrinated in Islam and becoming radical Islamic terrorists, but it's probably un-Christian to mention that.

Is it un-Christian to point out that we can give them food and shelter in Europe and Asia, providing for them until they can safely go home? And do it at far less expense than bringing them to the US, thus being able to help even more of them.

Is it un-Christian to point out that you endanger your own people to assist those of a society that has repeatedly demonstrated its unwillingness to merge peacefully with other societies?

How many of us must die to satisfy your righteous feelings of doing good to your fellow man?

Consider the current crop of migrants. When our young men go to war they leave their women and children somewhere safe. Young Muslim men are emigrating to somewhere safe, leaving their women and children in the war zone. Over seventy percent of the current 'refugees' are young men. Maybe I'm doing them a dis-service. Maybe they are moving into a war zone, because they intend to make it one.

That 70% statistic is bullshit, but I expect as much from you. Troll better.
70% is pretty close to the 73% it actually is
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Oddly enough this is precisely what I expect of you.
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That 70% statistic is bullshit, but I expect as much from you. Troll better.
Oddly enough this is precisely what I expect of you.
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That 70% statistic is bullshit, but I expect as much from you. Troll better.
Oddly enough this is precisely what I expect of you.
A refusal to believe the truth if it doesn't coincide with your vision.

No, it's straight-up bullshit.
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Shuguy, did you read that article.
It's basically saying you can expect the migrants/refugees to be young men.
Pictures of a trainload of men? Don't worry about it, the article says. A trainload of women would have come the next day.

That article doesn't debunk the official figures, it just denies them without any attempt to supply what they might think are the correct figures.

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Three-quarters of refugees who entered Germany in 2015 are males, two thirds younger than 33 years old, with low working experience, a new study by the German national immigration service says.
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Oddly enough this is precisely what I expect of you.
A refusal to believe the truth if it doesn't coincide with your vision.

No, it's straight-up bullshit.


Haha you apparently can't read. There is way more countries than your article included. But hey leaving out half the info is the news your used to. Probably why you believed it.
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Plus, who fact checks Snopes these days? It turns out the guy that founded Snopes has some loose morals - and hires just about anyone to "fact check". That is, they aren't the investigative journalists that you'd think they are. But, credit to the guy for being the first to fact check "Bigfoot seen at Wal Mart in Dequeen, Arkansas" stories back in the early days of the internet.

I no longer view Snopes as the final say in things anymore.

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Shuguy, did you read that article.
It's basically saying you can expect the migrants/refugees to be young men.
Pictures of a trainload of men? Don't worry about it, the article says. A trainload of women would have come the next day.

That article doesn't debunk the official figures, it just denies them without any attempt to supply what they might think are the correct figures.

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Three-quarters of refugees who entered Germany in 2015 are males, two thirds younger than 33 years old, with low working experience, a new study by the German national immigration service says.
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Plus, who fact checks Snopes these days? It turns out the guy that founded Snopes has some loose morals - and hires just about anyone to "fact check". That is, they aren't the investigative journalists that you'd think they are. But, credit to the guy for being the first to fact check "Bigfoot seen at Wal Mart in Dequeen, Arkansas" stories back in the early days of the internet.

I no longer view Snopes as the final say in things anymore.

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Shuguy, did you read that article.
It's basically saying you can expect the migrants/refugees to be young men.
Pictures of a trainload of men? Don't worry about it, the article says. A trainload of women would have come the next day.

That article doesn't debunk the official figures, it just denies them without any attempt to supply what they might think are the correct figures.


> Doesn't like the truth from Snopes
> Attempts to discredit them with... The Daily Fail


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