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Old Yesterday, 01:36 PM   #41
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*ambivalent noise* My issue with this kind of absolutist freedom to speak and exchange ideas in the intellectual marketplace is that, quite simply, some ideas need to be rejected. Like, what happens when you extend that right to allowing Hitler to stand up and advocate Making Germany/America Great Again through genocide? Yes, a lot of people would do the right thing, and give his ideas all due consideration before writing an eloquent essay against genocide as a solution. Problem is, that only works so long as we are willing, as a country, to reject such ideas, and right now, I am really not sure how firmly white people would hold on that stance.
(Disclaimer for the whiny right: I don't mean that white people want genocide, I mean that white people want to Make America Great Again and would not be dissuaded by the need for genocide.)
What a racist comment.
Also, how anti-constitutional in your willingness to limit free speech.
Free speech is fine as long as the right ideas are advocated?
Only white people voted for Trump?

You show a lamentable lack of trust in your fellow citizens. It's like the politicians denying people the right to know because they wouldn't understand. Or perhaps because they would understand too well.

What makes you think that non-white people don't want their country to be great? Non-whites can be just as patriotic as non-whites.
White people went for Trump by a definite margin, and despite the growing non-white populations they still make up 64% of the country. Damn straight I'm going to be more concerned about which way white people lean.

And no, I do expect that non-white people do want to Make America Great, if not Again, but also that they would be dissuaded by the prospect of genocide against non-Aryans.
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So, as the original post said, "Free speech - as long as it is the right speech". Nice. And, frankly, it doesn't surprise me coming from you.
I see you're going to save me some time by comparing Mrs Coulter's ideas to advocating genocide on your own. Much appreciated.

No, it's not "the right speech", it's speech within acceptable norms. I'm OK with allowing people to air a shitload of ideas I don't agree with, whether that's suggesting that capitalism can be reformed to stumping for free-market-based solutions to problems. I may not agree with them, but they're not harmful to anybody so they should be allowed on the marketplace of ideas. What I am saying is that some things are beyond the pale and should be ostracized as such.
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So, as the original post said, "Free speech - as long as it is the right speech". Nice. And, frankly, it doesn't surprise me coming from you.

There was a time when even the ACLU stood for free speech for all. In 1978, the ACLU defending the Neo-Nazis' free speech rights in Skokie, IL. I doubt the ACLU would do that today. Because, as time has gone by, they are more like Darthbob - they likely only care about free speech for ideas they champion.

Thankfully, some on the left realize how ridiculous this is as you see people like Bill Maher and Bernie Sanders speaking out against Berkley's actions. Bill Maher actually said "Berkeley, you know, used to be the cradle of free speech," Bill Maher said Friday during his Real Time broadcast on HBO, "And now it's just the cradle for f***king babies." How appropriate and correct.

Now remind me which party is the champion of free speech?

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*ambivalent noise* My issue with this kind of absolutist freedom to speak and exchange ideas in the intellectual marketplace is that, quite simply, some ideas need to be rejected. Like, what happens when you extend that right to allowing Hitler to stand up and advocate Making Germany/America Great Again through genocide? Yes, a lot of people would do the right thing, and give his ideas all due consideration before writing an eloquent essay against genocide as a solution. Problem is, that only works so long as we are willing, as a country, to reject such ideas, and right now, I am really not sure how firmly white people would hold on that stance.
(Disclaimer for the whiny right: I don't mean that white people want genocide, I mean that white people want to Make America Great Again and would not be dissuaded by the need for genocide.)

What a surprise, you're wrong about something else.

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So, as the original post said, "Free speech - as long as it is the right speech". Nice. And, frankly, it doesn't surprise me coming from you.
I see you're going to save me some time by comparing Mrs Coulter's ideas to advocating genocide on your own. Much appreciated.

No, it's not "the right speech", it's speech within acceptable norms. I'm OK with allowing people to air a shitload of ideas I don't agree with, whether that's suggesting that capitalism can be reformed to stumping for free-market-based solutions to problems. I may not agree with them, but they're not harmful to anybody so they should be allowed on the marketplace of ideas. What I am saying is that some things are beyond the pale and should be ostracized as such.

There is no way you can be serious. Speech within acceptable norms. What a joke. At one time saying lets end slavery would not be an acceptable norm. At one time saying lets give woman equal rights would not be an acceptable norm. Then moving up to fairly modern times if we went with your speech within acceptable norms then no way in hell would the LGBTQ exist at this point in time.

Dear lord if we never had free speech beyond acceptable norms we would all still be stuck in the past.
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In other words, only speech that you agree with.
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No, it's not "the right speech", it's speech within acceptable norms.
In other words, only speech that you agree with.
Who defines acceptable norms?
Really? You're going to actually cut out the next fucking sentence where I explain that it isn't only speech that I agree with and support? Goddamn, you lying son of a bitch.

And it's complicated, like everything worth knowing, but personally I'd put it down to whoever controls the platform. A newspaper gets to decide which letters and op-eds it prints, a convention gets to decide which talks are too controversial, and a university gets to decide who can give a session in their buildings.
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What I am saying is that some things are beyond the pale and should be ostracized as such.
It still comes down to the same thing. Controlling what people say.
Who decides what's beyond the pale?
A climate change devotee who says debating climate science is wrong?
An Islamist saying you can't debate Islam?

You either have free speech or you don't.
As soon as you start putting on limitations you don't have free speech.
It's amazing how people can twist what you say to fit their claim of what they say you said.
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What I am saying is that some things are beyond the pale and should be ostracized as such.
It still comes down to the same thing. Controlling what people say.
Who decides what's beyond the pale?
A climate change devotee who says debating climate science is wrong?
An Islamist saying you can't debate Islam?
Everybody, to be honest. Platform gatekeepers get to decide what ideas are too extreme for them to air, and people in general get to decide which ideas, people, and platforms they'll interact with. In the free marketplace of ideas, you are allowed to just not do business with some people.
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Friend, do you clank when you walk? 'Cause you gotta have some big brass fucking balls to say this kind of thing after your last post.
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Everybody, to be honest. Platform gatekeepers get to decide what ideas are too extreme for them to air, and people in general get to decide which ideas, people, and platforms they'll interact with. In the free marketplace of ideas, you are allowed to just not do business with some people.
But this is not what happened.
This was a case of two parties had an agreement. Doing business, as you say.
Then a third party came along and interfered with that agreement by threat of violence. They were violating another person's right to free speech.
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In other words, only speech that you agree with.
Who defines acceptable norms?
Really? You're going to actually cut out the next fucking sentence where I explain that it isn't only speech that I agree with and support? Goddamn, you lying son of a bitch.

And it's complicated, like everything worth knowing, but personally I'd put it down to whoever controls the platform. A newspaper gets to decide which letters and op-eds it prints, a convention gets to decide which talks are too controversial, and a university gets to decide who can give a session in their buildings.

Its actually not that complicated, there is already laws in place that dictate who gets say who gets to talk.

Simply the university does not fall in the laws where they get to pick and chooses who speaks. If they did there would be no questions of their actions. It would simply be they are within their legal means to do what they are doing. But they are not within their legal means. They have provided a platform for democrats, so they now must also provide a platform for a republican.

You just don't want to admit your ok with this because you obviously have no problem with blocking free speech of people that disagree with you.
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Its actually not that complicated, there is already laws in place that dictate who gets say who gets to talk.

Simply the university does not fall in the laws where they get to pick and chooses who speaks. If they did there would be no questions of their actions. It would simply be they are within their legal means to do what they are doing. But they are not within their legal means. They have provided a platform for democrats, so they now must also provide a platform for a republican.

You just don't want to admit your ok with this because you obviously have no problem with blocking free speech of people that disagree with you.
My main complaint isn't the craven attitude of the university but the anarchy inherent on the students demanding things with threats. At what point do you stop one it's decided that this is permitted?
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You're allowed to not do business with "some people" if you are a leftist and you don't agree with the other side's politics.

But, if you are say a Christian baker, you are NOT allowed to not do business with someone you don't agree with.

In an odd way, I admire you for sticking to your guns on this. It'd be much easier for you to say, "I don't agree with Coulter, they should let her speak" because you could preserve the idea of free speech. And, you could avoid this whole hypocritical thread you've undertaken.

Instead though, you've painted yourself into a position where you essentially say, "I'm really for free speech. But, only if it is stuff I agree with. Everything I don't agree with is hate speech".

Anyways... I actually hope the left continues to act the way they are acting. It will probably assure that Trump will get re-elected. And, Ruth Bader Ginsburg is no spring chicken.

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Who decides what's beyond the pale?
A climate change devotee who says debating climate science is wrong?
An Islamist saying you can't debate Islam?
Everybody, to be honest. Platform gatekeepers get to decide what ideas are too extreme for them to air, and people in general get to decide which ideas, people, and platforms they'll interact with. In the free marketplace of ideas, you are allowed to just not do business with some people.
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Friend, do you clank when you walk? 'Cause you gotta have some big brass fucking balls to say this kind of thing after your last post.
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Its actually not that complicated, there is already laws in place that dictate who gets say who gets to talk.

Simply the university does not fall in the laws where they get to pick and chooses who speaks. If they did there would be no questions of their actions. It would simply be they are within their legal means to do what they are doing. But they are not within their legal means. They have provided a platform for democrats, so they now must also provide a platform for a republican.

You just don't want to admit your ok with this because you obviously have no problem with blocking free speech of people that disagree with you.
My main complaint isn't the craven attitude of the university but the anarchy inherent on the students demanding things with threats. At what point do you stop one it's decided that this is permitted?
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Everybody, to be honest. Platform gatekeepers get to decide what ideas are too extreme for them to air, and people in general get to decide which ideas, people, and platforms they'll interact with. In the free marketplace of ideas, you are allowed to just not do business with some people.
But this is not what happened.
This was a case of two parties had an agreement. Doing business, as you say.
Then a third party came along and interfered with that agreement by threat of violence. They were violating another person's right to free speech.
The university is, as I said earlier, free to decide who does and does not get to speak in their conference halls, and they can listen to whomever they like to decide that. They can also get seriously criticized for making the wrong decision about who to exclude.
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You're allowed to not do business with "some people" if you are a leftist and you don't agree with the other side's politics.

But, if you are say a Christian baker, you are NOT allowed to not do business with someone you don't agree with.
The marketplace of ideas doesn't have, and shouldn't have IMO, any public accommodations rules. If Liberty University doesn't want to allow a Marxist speaker, they shouldn't be required to.
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In an odd way, I admire you for sticking to your guns on this. It'd be much easier for you to say, "I don't agree with Coulter, they should let her speak" because you could preserve the idea of free speech. And, you could avoid this whole hypocritical thread you've undertaken.

Instead though, you've painted yourself into a position where you essentially say, "I'm really for free speech. But, only if it is stuff I agree with. Everything I don't agree with is hate speech".
I suspect you'd admire me more if you actually understood my position, and not just the caricature you think it is.
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