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Old 07-02-2017, 09:10 PM   #1
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But I thought that Obama left the nation in better shape with a booming economy. I live in Southern Eastern Michigan, near Toledo Ohio. A few months back my microwave died, and I finally saved up enough to get a new one. It was a Kenmore, and so I wanted to get another Kenmore so the wall mounting plate (if you every installed a over the stove microwave you know what this is, and why not having to change it would be great). So I when to Sears, since Kenmore is a Sears exclusive brand. Found out the Sears store in Toledo Ohio is closing. After after September the nearest Sears to Toledo Ohio will be 30 miles away in Bowling Green Ohio, they think, the are not sure about the status of that store.

Now before you say well Sears it just the victim of a changing economy, The Anderson General Store, a Toledo maintain for over 60 years closed just last month. Two major retain outlets closing with in such a short time suggest the Booming economy was only one paper, and not real for anyone side of Cult of Obama!
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Except the demise of Sears and K-Mart is the result of a changing economy. They've actually been going downhill for years. It only accelerated recently as they're having difficulty competing with other stores.

Here in the KC metro, all but 3 K-Marts have closed (used to be a dozen in the metro), and only three Sears department stores remain, along with a couple smaller stores bearing the brand. The K-Mart I worked at 18 years ago closed, and of the five K-Marts in or near that metro, only 2 are still around.

Unfortunately there are also plenty of places that have suffered in the wake of the recession -- the one the Obama administration assured us ended like 8 years ago... The booming economy was certainly on paper for the most part. Despite the jobs numbers looking good, when you look at the jobs in question, it doesn't spell a prosperous economy.

But make no mistake that a lot of that is also compounded by the changes in the economy to favor online shopping over in-store shopping. It's why Amazon is expanding, along with FedEx, UPS, and the USPS, but not stores that rely too heavily on brick-and-mortar sales. It's also why Wal-Mart restructured their business to place more emphasis on their website and Site-to-Store services.
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Everywhere Brick and Mortar stores are dying. I travel extensively to Europe, trust me situation is not good there either.
Fact is, minus the overhead online is much cheaper. I am a bookaholic, and I still buy from B&N just to patronize them. But when you see the same version Times Atlas in B&N for 198 USD + taxes - I get 10% discount as I am a member - which I am getting in Amazon say at 160 USD - it's a no-brainer.
Macy and Kohls are also following the same footsteps.
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I'm still trying to figure out how to try on a pair of shoes online.

I have bought shoes online ASHON, and trust me it works well (well, mostly, I did have to return a pair). So try it
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Except the demise of Sears and K-Mart is the result of a changing economy. They've actually been going downhill for years. It only accelerated recently as they're having difficulty competing with other stores.
Yeah, a whole lot of companies are suffering for the changing economy and culture. Bar soap, casual dining, paper napkins, you name it, millennials are killing it. Came across an article last week talking about millennials killing chewing gum, even. Whole lotta companies suffering because Millennials aren't Boomers and today isn't 1960. But, we've had continuous GDP and employment growth, so the economy is considered improving.
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I'm still trying to figure out how to try on a pair of shoes online.

I have bought shoes online ASHON, and trust me it works well (well, mostly, I did have to return a pair). So try it

I too have bought a pair of boots on -line, they fit fine, no problem.
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Except the demise of Sears and K-Mart is the result of a changing economy. They've actually been going downhill for years. It only accelerated recently as they're having difficulty competing with other stores.
Yeah, a whole lot of companies are suffering for the changing economy and culture. Bar soap, casual dining, paper napkins, you name it, millennials are killing it. Came across an article last week talking about millennials killing chewing gum, even. Whole lotta companies suffering because Millennials aren't Boomers and today isn't 1960. But, we've had continuous GDP and employment growth, so the economy is considered improving.

Again, multiple times I have told you - and yet again, I always love your references. Keep posting
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Sears has itself to blame for its current state, not Obama. Or more specifically, it has CEO Eddie Lampert's Ayn Rand fetish to blame.
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This is from April and only shows the 3200 that were listed by then
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You want to say it "changing business climate" and not the economy, but that raises a question, why aren't Comic Book and Adventure Gaming stores not closing? In fact two new one have just opened in the Toledo area! Now by your theory then Comixology and RPG Drive Thru:

https://www.comixology.com/
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Both of these offer keeper electronic alternative to print media, but neither of them have put any dent in to the brick and motor store business!
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You want to say it "changing business climate" and not the economy, but that raises a question, why aren't Comic Book and Adventure Gaming stores not closing? In fact two new one have just opened in the Toledo area! Now by your theory then Comixology and RPG Drive Thru:

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Both of these offer keeper electronic alternative to print media, but neither of them have put any dent in to the brick and motor store business!
1. "Changing business climate" is not incompatible with "Fuck department stores in particular".
2. Game and comic stores aren't just one-stop-shops for everything nerdy, they're also low-grade social centers for the nerd set; I have no real experience with comic stores, but I expect the gaming shops in your area support themselves as much on sales of Mountain Dew and Cheetos as miniatures and players handbooks.
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2. Game and comic stores aren't just one-stop-shops for everything nerdy, they're also low-grade social centers for the nerd set; I have no real experience with comic stores, but I expect the gaming shops in your area support themselves as much on sales of Mountain Dew and Cheetos as miniatures and players handbooks.

Not exactly on sales of MD and Cheetos, but the social aspect is what continues to draw the people in. You can meet there and have a game, play a card game against random people. This isn't conducive to tabletop RPGs much unless the place offers private rooms for rent (some do), which is an alternative if you can't get much privacy in any of the group members homes.

An economy that favors online shopping doesn't mean brick and mortar sales never happen. Instead the latter become fewer while the former become greater. That is basically how our economy has transitioned over the last 15 or so years.
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2. Game and comic stores aren't just one-stop-shops for everything nerdy, they're also low-grade social centers for the nerd set; I have no real experience with comic stores, but I expect the gaming shops in your area support themselves as much on sales of Mountain Dew and Cheetos as miniatures and players handbooks.
Not exactly on sales of MD and Cheetos, but the social aspect is what continues to draw the people in. You can meet there and have a game, play a card game against random people. This isn't conducive to tabletop RPGs much unless the place offers private rooms for rent (some do), which is an alternative if you can't get much privacy in any of the group members homes.
I've also seen a few that run tournament play for the various card and war games, and then of course this sort of thing can turn back to people buying stuff; "I desperately need a Blue Eyes White Dragon to beat this shitbird. SHOPKEEP!"
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I've also seen a few that run tournament play for the various card and war games, and then of course this sort of thing can turn back to people buying stuff; "I desperately need a Blue Eyes White Dragon to beat this shitbird. SHOPKEEP!"

Which is the kind of sale profile that online outlets can't match no matter how hard they try. They can sell the various cards and trinkets for the games, but nothing beats actually seeing your favorite game in action. And watching a tournament and seeing cards or pieces you didn't know existed or how they could be leveraged is easily the best selling point. And again something online stores can't compete with.

Now for tabletop RPG, sure you can put together an online chat group. And some sites have cropped up to facilitate having an online tabletop RPG group. But nothing beats being able to do that in person. I mean if I was heavy into D&D, I'd more want to have Vin Diesel in my group in person sitting next to me than online via a webcam and chat.

So while online shopping has been able to facilitate commerce in the United States and abroad to a degree that wasn't possible beforehand, there are some aspects of commerce that online sales just can't touch. The fact that DriveThruRPG hasn't been able to put the local game shops out of business shows that there's something the local game shops offer that the online companies can't.

And that's true for most every segment that hasn't gone purely online.

And there are some things in commerce that online sites will never be able to provide. Convenience being the big one, for the most part. The ability to get what you need or want about immediately. Convenience has a price. For example a replacement HDD for my NAS will cost me about $30 more at my local Micro Center compared to ordering it online, including local sales taxes. But if my NAS tells me that the HDD needs to be replaced, you'll bet I'll pay the premium to pick up that HDD and have it in my NAS and resilvering faster than I'd be able to ordering it online.

But the faltering of Sears and other big-name stores is due to the shift in the economy toward online selling for what online sites can provide just as effectively but with less cost. For one, brick and mortar stores just can't match the variety online stores can offer.

But that doesn't mean they have nothing to offer. Online stores can't match the intangible benefits that come with brick and mortar stores. And with game and comic stores, this is especially true. Antique stores are another.

It's also like saying "why hasn't iTunes ended CD sales". If you don't understand the difference between uncompressed CD music compared to the compressed MP3s and AACs you get online, you won't understand why the CD hasn't gone away -- and likely never will. And you won't understand why vinyls are making a comeback.
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I have to agree and disagree. What you are saying about in store gaming areas is true, most stores have them, but not all that are successful in my area do. Also that is true for games, what about Comics. Comixology offers comics on the same day they are released, you get them right at the time of orider, since they are digital comics. At the same, or in most cases lower, price, and if you wait two weeks, nearly always at a lower price (a few companies do not discount at all, but they are the minority).
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I have to agree and disagree. What you are saying about in store gaming areas is true, most stores have them, but not all that are successful in my area do. Also that is true for games, what about Comics. Comixology offers comics on the same day they are released, you get them right at the time of orider, since they are digital comics. At the same, or in most cases lower, price, and if you wait two weeks, nearly always at a lower price (a few companies do not discount at all, but they are the minority).
Comics are still one of those things that a lot of people are going to want in physical form, if only because you can't put digital comics up on Ebay a few years down the road.

Or, of course, "Demand for comic/game/booze shops has not declined the way it has for department stores".
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Comics are still one of those things that a lot of people are going to want in physical form, if only because you can't put digital comics up on Ebay a few years down the road.

That is far from true. I know there were a number of articles written about "inventing in comics" back in the last 1980's and early 1990's, but most of it was a lie created by inventors to try to create a market that did not really exist. The comics that had value were one from then golden age (WWII), were produced in limited numbers, most of which were recycled after reading for the war. They were only had value because of how few there were, and how few were keep in good shape. DC tried to capitalize on this with their Death of, and Rebirt of Superman sold in a plastic bag. I still have a Death of Superman one, it is worth less the three times of purchase price today *I think i paid 5.99 retail, and it worth like $15 to sell , over 20 years later.

The truth is nearly all people today who buy comics, buy them to read, not to sell later. The going rate for a $3.99 comic is about $0.05 from a dealer to sell to. Sell in ebay, good luck they are not worth much.
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Comics are still one of those things that a lot of people are going to want in physical form, if only because you can't put digital comics up on Ebay a few years down the road.

That is far from true. I know there were a number of articles written about "inventing in comics" back in the last 1980's and early 1990's, but most of it was a lie created by inventors to try to create a market that did not really exist.
I didn't say that was the only reason anybody would want physical comics, just that it's a reason.
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