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Old 04-13-2019, 04:49 PM   #1
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Has anyone here, other then me, ever studied U.S. History? Has anyone else see the Parallel between the nature of our society today and what was going on the late 1850's and the early 1860's?

The Democratic Party is become totally unhinged! Much like they did in that time frame. Maxine Waters' threats against any one connected to the Trump Administration! AOC an her general stupidity and that she is acting like a dictator. The "News" media and there yellow journalism. The blind sheep of the left and there willingness obey and defend everything their Leaders say. The use of the phrase "what-about-ism" if you point out their Hypocrisy, because they can't deal with it. etc.

The only major difference I see is the issues today are far more diverse then they were before the Civil War. Today we have illegal Aliens (and giving them the right to vote), Climate Change, Taxation, Firearm Control, Protection of U.S. jobs, the Economy and others. Now the right is not any better then the left when it come to how they treat the American People, but they have not, so far gone off the deep end the way the left has.

So after the call to have Climate Change Deniers imprisoned, how far are we from the start of another Bloody Kansan? We are already see acts of Violante against Trump supporters and the left's defending it.
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Now the right is not any better then the left when it come to how they treat the American People, but they have not, so far gone off the deep end the way the left has.

You may believe you have a handle on past history, but you are blind to current events. The fact that Trump is President at all proves your above statement wrong.
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Everyone talks about the left doing this and the right doing that.
Stand back and look at the total situation.
You have a minority from the left with big voices.
You have a minority from the right with big voices.
You have a huge majority in the centre, neither left nor right, quietly doing what they think is best for themselves and their country.

Have a little faith in your fellow man. The loud voices don't really drown him out.
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Now the right is not any better then the left when it come to how they treat the American People, but they have not, so far gone off the deep end the way the left has.

You may believe you have a handle on past history, but you are blind to current events. The fact that Trump is President at all proves your above statement wrong.
Yeah, honestly you could describe the past 5 years of conservative politics as "going off the deep end", culminating in Glorious Leader Trump.
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You may believe you have a handle on past history, but you are blind to current events. The fact that Trump is President at all proves your above statement wrong.
Yeah, honestly you could describe the past 5 years of conservative politics as "going off the deep end", culminating in Glorious Leader Trump.


I suppose in way you could describe it that way. But describing it in that manner just reinforces that the left have lost it. The far left some how has a huge voice which has led to some extreme changes in both politics and social actions. The mere fact that anything directed at a person of color is instantly deemed racist, where as the vise versa no one cares about it, leads to people standing up for themselves. Which in turn the left deems those people as going off the deep end. When in reality those people are just asking for respect just like the people of color. Then you get into the politics of it and you have the left pushing closer and closer to socialism, and when republican suggest putting the toothpaste back into the tube, they get called going off the deep end. I'm not saying everyone on the right is innocent, but as of right now the far left is on the forefront, and they are refusing to be reasonable on many matters. It is there way or the highway. In which you have the reasonable people trying to compromise or stop the crazy ideas being silenced, just as you said darth they are off the deep end for the last five years, but even you are reasonable enough to know this isn't true, you are reasonable enough to know the far left has pushed to far and the off the deep end politics as you call it is just the push back of fed up people. Come on darth at least be honest with yourself on this one.

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Now the right is not any better then the left when it come to how they treat the American People, but they have not, so far gone off the deep end the way the left has.

You may believe you have a handle on past history, but you are blind to current events. The fact that Trump is President at all proves your above statement wrong.


But , but, but trump. That is all your statement says. You actually got some reasoning behind it, or you simply going argue TDS.
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Everyone talks about the left doing this and the right doing that.
Stand back and look at the total situation.
You have a minority from the left with big voices.
You have a minority from the right with big voices.
You have a huge majority in the centre, neither left nor right, quietly doing what they think is best for themselves and their country.

Have a little faith in your fellow man. The loud voices don't really drown him out.


Except the loud voices do drowned it out. Obama care put 21 million poor people on healthcare. They bragged about it. But it knocked roughly 23 million low middle class and low class people off health care. Dems didn't care they covered that fact up, they changed statics so it looked better. It really didn't matter how bad Obama care was, if you bad mouthed it in anyway you got shot down. Then into we find out Obama care is about worthless, hey I got healthcare , except I can't find a doctor that will take it, When I do I finally find one oh my deductible is more than I spent on health care, so no help there, and then finally hey I'm poor so still can't afford the co pay so guess I'm still not seeing a doctor. So even with all these problems pointed out the suggestion of repealing it gets meet with your crazy people have health care now, Or the republicans have nothing to replace it with. Well do we really need to replace it. Charity care was working much better for the poor and the low middle class. So these type of continued shouts do drown out the reasonable centered majority.
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Intrigues me, coming from Australia. Don't take this the wrong way but what did Obama do. Also intriguing is the fact that people want to hate Trump. Must be a reason, or is it the fact that he is obnoxious, arrogant, and a pain in the ass. Actually have visitors from the US at the moment. They can't understand his popularity but they also say within reason, he is ten times better than Obama.
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Trump is a thin-skinned, arrogant asshole. But, his message resonates with a lot of people. If the Democrats had not started this whole "he colluded with Russia" thing, he'd probably be a one term President.

But, most of what Trump complained about has been true. They were illegally collecting on people in his campaign. The Russian collusion was "fake news" perpetuated every day at places like CNN and MSNBC. Again, Trump has been proven right.

The left turns to morons like AOC and people like Rep. Omar to be their voice. One is a simpleton who makes Sarah Palin look like a Rhodes scholar. In fact, I don't watch SNL anymore. But, I bet they could really make some funny skits based on AOC. I bet they don't though, do they? They sure made fun of Palin, didn't they? Interesting.

The left is unhinged. Trump plays them like a fiddle. The latest is how he is going to send busloads of illegals to sanctuary city. Brilliant. The left can't legitimately complain about it because they supposedly welcome illegals with open arms. Let the sanctuary cities deal with them. But, of course, that hasn't stopped them from yelling, "but, but - TRUMP!".

At this rate, he will likely win re-election. Economy is humming along. Unemployment at historic lows. Tax cuts in place. Fake Russian collusion in the rear view mirror.

And, the left is led by far left socialists.
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Intrigues me, coming from Australia. Don't take this the wrong way but what did Obama do. Also intriguing is the fact that people want to hate Trump. Must be a reason, or is it the fact that he is obnoxious, arrogant, and a pain in the ass. Actually have visitors from the US at the moment. They can't understand his popularity but they also say within reason, he is ten times better than Obama.
Not my opinion, just an outsiders view.
I'm pretty sure an outsider's view is an opinion, but whatever.

Roughly two-thirds of "what Obama did" is just exist. A lot of Americans could not handle the idea of a hugely popular Black Democrat in the Oval Office, and contracted Obama Derangement Syndrome. Outside of that vocal minority, Obama was actually pretty popular.

Donald "Grab Them by the Pussy" Trump, on the other hand, is an awful person by just about any measure, save the base who like and support his awfulness.
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I'm pretty sure an outsider's view is an opinion, but whatever.

Roughly two-thirds of "what Obama did" is just exist. A lot of Americans could not handle the idea of a hugely popular Black Democrat in the Oval Office, and contracted Obama Derangement Syndrome. Outside of that vocal minority, Obama was actually pretty popular.

Donald "Grab Them by the Pussy" Trump, on the other hand, is an awful person by just about any measure, save the base who like and support his awfulness.

So you pull the race card then call everyone who supports Trump a sex pervert. That is exactly what iron_warmonger was talking about in his OP. Your mind is made up and FUCK TRUMP! That's ok with me if it's ok with you but don't sit on your high horse and tell me Hillary would have been better.

I supported Obama. I trusted him on his change message. I had friends who told me I was crazy but I stuck to my guns.

I don't even know how much Obamacare cost me. I know just the back taxes were $7,700.00, then there was the $300.00 a month I paid for however many years I was on it, and the insurance was so bad I basically paid in full for my health care.

That is exactly why I supported Trump, change. Hillary was going to continue Obamacare and who knows what else, but the Obamacare was enough for me.

I have said it before and will say it again, show me someone better.
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I'm pretty sure an outsider's view is an opinion, but whatever.

Roughly two-thirds of "what Obama did" is just exist. A lot of Americans could not handle the idea of a hugely popular Black Democrat in the Oval Office, and contracted Obama Derangement Syndrome. Outside of that vocal minority, Obama was actually pretty popular.

Donald "Grab Them by the Pussy" Trump, on the other hand, is an awful person by just about any measure, save the base who like and support his awfulness.

So you pull the race card then call everyone who supports Trump a sex pervert. That is exactly what iron_warmonger was talking about in his OP. Your mind is made up and FUCK TRUMP! That's ok with me if it's ok with you but don't sit on your high horse and tell me Hillary would have been better.
I'll take it as a kindness if you respond to what I actually said, and not just your own fevered imaginings. I didn't even call Trump a sex pervert, never mind his supporters.
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Intrigues me, coming from Australia. Don't take this the wrong way but what did Obama do. Also intriguing is the fact that people want to hate Trump. Must be a reason, or is it the fact that he is obnoxious, arrogant, and a pain in the ass. Actually have visitors from the US at the moment. They can't understand his popularity but they also say within reason, he is ten times better than Obama.
Not my opinion, just an outsiders view.


The reason the left hates trump so much is because they created trump. You tell somebody they are something enough times that person will become that thing you call them. The left constant shouting of how horrible the right is, lead to people going ok well here you go. Here is an asshole that will take the shit you pitch and tear it up and throw it right back. If the left would learn to act like humans we wouldn't be behind an asshole that tosses everything back in their face.
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Intrigues me, coming from Australia. Don't take this the wrong way but what did Obama do. Also intriguing is the fact that people want to hate Trump. Must be a reason, or is it the fact that he is obnoxious, arrogant, and a pain in the ass. Actually have visitors from the US at the moment. They can't understand his popularity but they also say within reason, he is ten times better than Obama.
Not my opinion, just an outsiders view.
I'm pretty sure an outsider's view is an opinion, but whatever.

Roughly two-thirds of "what Obama did" is just exist. A lot of Americans could not handle the idea of a hugely popular Black Democrat in the Oval Office, and contracted Obama Derangement Syndrome. Outside of that vocal minority, Obama was actually pretty popular.

Donald "Grab Them by the Pussy" Trump, on the other hand, is an awful person by just about any measure, save the base who like and support his awfulness.



You apparently don't read so well. Obama is like the fourth lowest on the list. Whoopty do he had one high rating his average is pretty dam low. So in truth no he wasn't that popular. I also love how you ignore reality. Roughly about what 2/3 of what Obama did was exist. come on now. He created horrible health care. He took us from military action in two countries to nine, he created a racial divide, he created poor border policy that is now being blamed on trump, and on and on. He was horrible, but the reality is you have the issue with that he was a black president, so you feel the need to defend him. So the Obama derangement you speak of is actually coming from you and the left.


Then we move on trump and you post an article that is mostly opinion as if it is fact. The article bashes trump for enforcing a policy Obama created. Then it goes onto how cruel it is to separate families. Well ask yourself this what does the US do with kids when the parents cannot take care of the kids. It takes the kids from the parents and puts them into the system. So why is it now cruel to take kids from immigrants that clearly cannot care for them and put them in the system. Please do explain the difference there.



Lastly as attic pointed out, you cannot have a reasonable discussion with out putting a bash in there. I'm mean seriously when you can't have a discussion on policy with out going but trump said grab them by the pussy it is clear you already know you have lost the discussion.
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Donald "Grab Them by the Pussy" Trump, on the other hand, is an awful person by just about any measure, save the base who like and support his awfulness.

Right!
Ah, I see your confusion. Trump's problem isn't that he's a sex pervert, it's that he's a sexual harasser. He's allowed his piss kink, provided he does it consensually. The problem with his supporters isn't that they're sex perverts, it's that they're not dissuaded by Trump being a sexual harasser. Which is an understandable reaction, just like the fact that my baby sister doesn't want anything to do with Trump supporters.

Anyway, I'm less interested in that than the whole "cruelty is the point" issue that article raises.
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Roughly two-thirds of "what Obama did" is just exist. A lot of Americans could not handle the idea of a hugely popular Black Democrat in the Oval Office, and contracted Obama Derangement Syndrome. Outside of that vocal minority, Obama was actually pretty popular.

Darth, what color is the sky in your world? I know you lap up what ever you god in the Democratic Party tell you, like a puppy with milk but it time to see the world though the look glass of realism. This idea that the only reason people disliked Obama was because "they cold not handel a black man in the white house", is just fantasy.

Mostly because it denies:

His ending of the U.S. Man Space Program.
Sending billion of U.S. dollars to create jobs in China, Mexico and Finland
Costing 8000 people there jobs at ITT Tech
Assassinating at least two U.S. citizen (one only being 16 years old)
Giving a contract to create the Obama care web site to a Canadian company owned by a college friend of his wife.
The fact that web site after millions were spend did not work.
Seeing the U.S. Credit rating lower TWICE in this time in office, the 1st and 2nd that that has ever happened.
Adding more to the debt than nay other President in History, even with a Democratic Congress.
Paying more rounds of Golf in his first year in office, then Bush 43 did in al eight of his years. (note many complained about Bush's playing of golf)
Seeing the U.S. stop being the world largest manufacture.
The fact the average America wage declined greatly during his administration.
The use of tax payer money to pay back supporters in Hollywood.
The entire fast and furyest program that got a U.S. law enforcement officer killed, but a gun supply to him by the DOJ!
And this list could go on!
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Intrigues me, coming from Australia. Don't take this the wrong way but what did Obama do. Also intriguing is the fact that people want to hate Trump. Must be a reason, or is it the fact that he is obnoxious, arrogant, and a pain in the ass. Actually have visitors from the US at the moment. They can't understand his popularity but they also say within reason, he is ten times better than Obama.
Not my opinion, just an outsiders view.


The reason the left hates trump so much is because they created trump. You tell somebody they are something enough times that person will become that thing you call them. The left constant shouting of how horrible the right is, lead to people going ok well here you go. Here is an asshole that will take the shit you pitch and tear it up and throw it right back. If the left would learn to act like humans we wouldn't be behind an asshole that tosses everything back in their face.

The same argument could be that the right created Obama, Sanders, AOC, etc. Every time they send a job to China, every time they say "you need to take a long hard look in the mirror" in regards to pay, every time they said "Retirement is the thing the past" but defend CEO golden parachutes. Every time they defend the screwing over of the American people, they are Proving Marx right and paving the way for Socialism!
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Ah, I see your confusion. Trump's problem isn't that he's a sex pervert, it's that he's a sexual harasser. He's allowed his piss kink, provided he does it consensually. The problem with his supporters isn't that they're sex perverts, it's that they're not dissuaded by Trump being a sexual harasser. Which is an understandable reaction, just like the fact that my baby sister doesn't want anything to do with Trump supporters.

Anyway, I'm less interested in that than the whole "cruelty is the point" issue that article raises.

THREE WORDS: William Jefferson Clinton!!!!!

And if I remember correctly, it was not consensual with Paula Jones! Sorry but the left does not have a leg to stand on with this argument.
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Roughly two-thirds of "what Obama did" is just exist. A lot of Americans could not handle the idea of a hugely popular Black Democrat in the Oval Office, and contracted Obama Derangement Syndrome. Outside of that vocal minority, Obama was actually pretty popular.
Darth, what color is the sky in your world? I know you lap up what ever you god in the Democratic Party tell you, like a puppy with milk but it time to see the world though the look glass of realism. This idea that the only reason people disliked Obama was because "they cold not handel a black man in the white house", is just fantasy.
Why does your brain just stop at the race part of that sentence, as though these people would have cheered President Hillary Clinton? The problem with Obama, as I said, was his whole political package including but not limited to his skin color.
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