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Old 09-11-2018, 10:29 AM   #1
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Serena spits the dummy and throws a childish tantrum.
Lost a point for being coached from the side. (Which the Coach admits.) (Standard penalty.)
Lost a point for smashing her racket. (Standard penalty.)
Lost a point for umpire abuse and for third point forfeits one game. (Standard penalty.)

The above cartoon is accurate. Is it racist?
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Serena spits the dummy and throws a childish tantrum.
Lost a point for being coached from the side. (Which the Coach admits.) (Standard penalty.)
Lost a point for smashing her racket. (Standard penalty.)
Lost a point for umpire abuse and for third point forfeits one game. (Standard penalty.)

The above cartoon is accurate. Is it racist?
Well first that's not the actual cartoon. Yours appears to have been edited and cropped. Here's the cartoon as it was published.
https://i.imgur.com/tVIXkRd.jpg


Second, it's hard to say that racism isn't in play in Knight's depiction of Serena, what with the exaggerated features that allude to Jim Crow imagery, and the way it contrasts that to what is presumably Naomi Osaka.

Thirdly, the problem Serena had there is that shamefully often those aren't standard penalties.
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The above cartoon is accurate. Is it racist?
what the fuck do you mean the cartoon is accurate?

its really past time you pull your head out of your ass.
why dont you post some exaggerated monkey caricature & ask if thats racist?

if you werent trolling this forum (as you often do) youd know (& post accordingly)
that the incident itself had very little to do with racism but that your cartoon is
(by intention) both racist & offensive.

arent you the one who claimed adults should move on & get past this taking
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and here you are trolling your little heart out fanning the flames of resentment.
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Serena spits the dummy and throws a childish tantrum.
Lost a point for being coached from the side. (Which the Coach admits.) (Standard penalty.)
Lost a point for smashing her racket. (Standard penalty.)
Lost a point for umpire abuse and for third point forfeits one game. (Standard penalty.)

The above cartoon is accurate. Is it racist?
Well first that's not the actual cartoon. Yours appears to have been edited and cropped. Here's the cartoon as it was published.
https://i.imgur.com/tVIXkRd.jpg


Second, it's hard to say that racism isn't in play in Knight's depiction of Serena, what with the exaggerated features that allude to Jim Crow imagery, and the way it contrasts that to what is presumably Naomi Osaka.

Thirdly, the problem Serena had there is that shamefully often those aren't standard penalties.


Now lets bring your argument back to the reality of the real world.


Your argument of the cartoon being racist because her features are exaggerated follows suit of all of this guys other cartoons. He exaggerates physical features on everyone he portrays. So to make a claim of jim crow imagery is a copout. No one is screaming about the giant ears he put on ross perot. As for size He also draws all people in the back ground much slimmer to give a perception of depth. So again the argument your making is ridiculous. If his drawing style is fine when it is white people it can't suddenly be racist because he draws black people in the same style.


As for your article as to those not being standard penalties it is so shamefully wrong you should be embarrassed of your self for posting it. The supposed stuff that the male athletes get away with is not the same thing that serena did. A tennis player is allowed to argue with the ref all they want. They can argue loudly if they want. What they can't do is verbally abuse the ump. Calling the ump a theif is an insult. If you look back at decision made for men they were all penalized if they tossed an insult at the ref. So huge difference with trying to compare the male athletes arguing with Serena's insult. Lastly you are allowed two penalties in tennis, so had she not smashed her racket the others would have not stuck, so she brought it upon herself on the actions that were taken.

Also your article points out how women are treated unfairly because a woman got penalized for taking her shirt off on the court. Pointing out several other examples of men changing their shirt including one a guy sitting shirtless for several moments. Problem with that is your allowed to change your shirt while in your chair, which all the examples of the men changing shirts they were in the chair. While the girl was on the court when she removed her shirt. Another comparison of oranges and apples.

So all of your examples of women being treated different is using a double standard, in which women don't have to follow the rules, with a mention of sexism that people seem to think justifies the allowance of breaking of the rules.
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I din't say it was accurate. Asshat did. I said it was racist.
its Asshat I was replying to.
Im sure he gets that.
somehow, quotes are confusing (like here)


They only seem to be confusing to you. You respond to ashon, but quote garison . What a joke you are.
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The above cartoon is accurate. Is it racist?
Yes, it is, as should be obvious to anyone who isn't himself a racist.


And another hit and a miss by garison. If you don't agree with me your a racist. Does that arguing technique ever work for you.
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There's something fuck well wrong with you.
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There's something fuck well wrong with you.



Haha I can figure out how the quote button works, so truly who has something wrong with them. Also not to mention were you not the one that gave ashon holy hell for screwing up a quote. Oh that's right your hypocrite.
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If it was Maria Sharapovo in the cartoon it wouldn't be racist, why is this? I see it as a professional athlete acting like a cry baby.

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it looks like to me theres no way you could draw the lips, the face, the
hair & the ass and not know you are for a fact insulting a black woman.

if he only wanted to show a tantrum none of those need to have been used.
but if he wants to claim ignorance of US stereotypes then I can only say
thats the shit you get into by inserting your uninformed opinion. (dumbass)

and for people who dont think she has a valid sexism claim, I have
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I mean really if they hadnt taken a point away 3 times she
would not have lost a game & the championship.

she would still have been fined & lost a point for sideline coaching.

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yes if its along the 4 lines I already listed
and of course she was throwing a fit. nobody denies it.

also if you read the article the spectators booed for 10 minutes afterward.
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Yours appears to have been edited and cropped. Here's the cartoon as it was published.https://i.imgur.com/tVIXkRd.jpg
Can't see any significant difference. I just posted what I found on the web and it looks much the same as what you posted.

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Second, it's hard to say that racism isn't in play in Knight's depiction of Serena, what with the exaggerated features that allude to Jim Crow imagery,
Everyone appears to have recognised Serena so the caricature is accurate.
She is overweight. Perhaps why she lost.
Take your choice. She lost because:
* She is overweight
* Racism
* Sexism
* She's a mother
* Climate Change
* She met a better player

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and the way it contrasts that to what is presumably Naomi Osaka.
Naomi Osaka:
* Thinner than Serena - Check.
* Asian - drawn with colour lighter than Serena but darker than white umpire - Check
* Her blonde pony tail displayed - Check. (You did notice that Naomi currently has a blonde pony tail?)

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Thirdly, the problem Serena had there is that shamefully often those aren't standard penalties.
Please supply an instance where another player has been caught cheating, smashed their racket, and abused the umpire and not received penalties.



Sure looks like her in full abuse mode.
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Not always. Sometimes people are careful and manage to avoid looking like an A Wyatt Mann production. Mr Knight was not and did not.
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it looks like to me theres no way you could draw the lips, the face, the
hair & the ass and not know you are for a fact insulting a black woman.

if he only wanted to show a tantrum none of those need to have been used.
but if he wants to claim ignorance of US stereotypes then I can only say
thats the shit you get into by inserting your uninformed opinion. (dumbass)

and for people who dont think she has a valid sexism claim, I have
2 words for you: John McEnroe

I mean really if they hadnt taken a point away 3 times she
would not have lost a game & the championship.

she would still have been fined & lost a point for sideline coaching.

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is it that it is always racist if a black person is drawn as a caricature?
yes if its along the 4 lines I already listed
and of course she was throwing a fit. nobody denies it.

also if you read the article the spectators booed for 10 minutes afterward.


When even white people are drawn exaggerated then you have no claim to your 4 guidelines. He shouldn't need to change his drawing style simply because her skin color is different. Actually to ask him to portray her differently then he does his white cartoons is racist. Look back at his past work that is the manner in which he draws everyone.

As for john McEnroe go do some reading. He pushes everything to the limit, but doesn't break the rules. In fact he has been fined many times, but has not had points taken because he stops acting out went he gets two violation. Points are not taken until you hit three violations. So in reality if she had not insulted the ump, she would not have had any points taken. You really need to read up on things before you spout off.
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Can't see any significant difference. I just posted what I found on the web and it looks much the same as what you posted.
What you posted had the outer 5% or so cropped off, including the artist's signature, which is bad form in its own right.
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Second, it's hard to say that racism isn't in play in Knight's depiction of Serena, what with the exaggerated features that allude to Jim Crow imagery,
Everyone appears to have recognised Serena so the caricature is accurate.
Disagree. If I draw a turd with an orange toupee saying that it's the yugest and most luxurious turd around, most people would recognize that turd as referring to Trump, but it would not be an accurate caricature.
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She is overweight. Perhaps why she lost.
Take your choice. She lost because:
* She is overweight
* Racism
* Sexism
* She's a mother
* Climate Change
* She met a better player
The bitch of it is, these doubts about the legitimacy of Ramos's calls also we can't conclusively say Osaka was the better player. She didn't win by fairly defeating Williams on the court, she won because the umpire docked Williams too many points and cost her the game.
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Thirdly, the problem Serena had there is that shamefully often those aren't standard penalties.
Please supply an instance where another player has been caught cheating, smashed their racket, and abused the umpire and not received penalties.
Andy Roddick and James Blake declare that they have said worse without getting penalized a game the way Williams was. There was also a Twitter thread just collecting instances of men behaving badly and not being penalized, but I can't find it right now.
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What you posted had the outer 5% or so cropped off, including the artist's signature, which is bad form in its own right.
Nitpicking at its finest. The basic cartoon was there.
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Disagree. If I draw a turd with an orange toupee saying that it's the hugest and most luxurious turd around, most people would recognize that turd as referring to Trump, but it would not be an accurate caricature.
People would recognise it as calling Trump a turd.
Standard caricature is done by overemphasising a persons features which is exactly what Knight has done.

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The bitch of it is, these doubts about the legitimacy of Ramos's calls also we can't conclusively say Osaka was the better player. She didn't win by fairly defeating Williams on the court, she won because the umpire docked Williams too many points and cost her the game.

She was ahead when Williams started her head games. Serena was trying a psychological ploy that didn't work.
The game that she lost was on Osaka's serve and Serena on her current form would have lost that anyway. Probably no effect on the game.
One point for cheating which her coach admits to.
One point for umpire abuse which everyone agrees to.
One point for racket smashing.
Three points means you forfeit one game.
Serena could have stopped this at any stage by stopping her illegal antics.
The chances are she deliberately continued to forfeit a game she would have lost anyway and give herself an excuse.

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Andy Roddick and James Blake declare that they have said worse without getting penalized a game the way Williams was. There was also a Twitter thread just collecting instances of men behaving badly and not being penalized, but I can't find it right now.
If Serena had stopped at the abuse she wouldn't have been penalised the game.
Andy and James were probably penalised a point for abuse but didn't go on a rampage.
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