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Old 08-07-2018, 05:29 PM   #1
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I think Alex Jones is full of a whole bunch of bullshit but he still has the God given right to speak freely.

You may think it's a good thing to have him banned but what will you say when they come and tell you to shut the fuck up? I'm pretty sure you won't be celebrating that.
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I think Alex Jones is full of a whole bunch of bullshit but he still has the
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You may think it's a good thing to have him banned but what will you say
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I'm pretty sure you won't be celebrating that.
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Someone who is correct!

I don't care for Alex Jones either, but all those celebrating this will use the "a private company can do anything they want, the 1st Amendment only applies ot the government" are the exact same people who called the NFL's plan to "take a Knee you are out for the game, do it again you are out for the season", Unconstitutional! Last I checked the NFL is also a private company, should they have the right to do what they want as well?
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I think Alex Jones is full of a whole bunch of bullshit but he still has the God given right to speak freely.

You may think it's a good thing to have him banned but what will you say when they come and tell you to shut the fuck up? I'm pretty sure you won't be celebrating that.
He has a right to speak freely, but he does not have a right to a platform. Apple/Youtube/Spotify/iTunes have a right, as private businesses, to decide who gets to run content on their services, and apparently Alex Jones does not get to run content with them.
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Wrong.
The courts have ruled that these companies are providing public platforms. Therefore anyone should be permitted their say.
If you don't agree with them don't bother reading what they post.

The Monoversities are doing the same sort of thing, banning people with the 'wrong' idea.

The right to free speech does not mean 'shut up and go away because I don't want to hear what you say'.
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He has a right to speak freely, but he does not have a right to a platform.
Apple/Youtube/Spotify/iTunes have a right, as private businesses, to decide
who gets to run content on their services, and apparently Alex Jones
does not get to run content with them.
Wrong.
The courts have ruled that these companies are providing public platforms.
Therefore anyone should be permitted their say.
If you don't agree with them don't bother reading what they post.

The Monoversities are doing the same sort of thing, banning people with
the 'wrong' idea. The right to free speech does not mean 'shut up and
go away because I don't want to hear what you say'.
the truth is whatever ASHSON says it is. because ASHSON says so.

ASHSON is an expert on foreign courts, business, universities & free speech.
because ASHSON says ASHSON is an expert on these issues.

he never offers any proof of his opinions but ASHSON said he did not have to.
really you could go on nearly forever but you get the point

edit: I challenge the dummard to prove even one of his claims here.

facebook TOS youtube TOS itunes TOS

ASHSON will not read & would pretend his opinion overrides actual fact
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To expand on the right to speak freely...

Yes, but he does not have a right to incite violence, which is what a lot of his rants do. He does not have a right to slander people, another thing he often does.
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He has a right to speak freely, but he does not have a right to a platform. Apple/Youtube/Spotify/iTunes have a right, as private businesses, to decide who gets to run content on their services, and apparently Alex Jones does not get to run content with them.
Wrong.
The courts have ruled that these companies are providing public platforms. Therefore anyone should be permitted their say.
If you don't agree with them don't bother reading what they post.
[citation needed], since I can't find any such ruling.
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The courts have ruled that these companies are providing public platforms. Therefore anyone should be permitted their say.
If you don't agree with them don't bother reading what they post.
[citation needed], since I can't find any such ruling.
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To expand on the right to speak freely...

Yes, but he does not have a right to incite violence, which is what a lot of his rants do. He does not have a right to slander people, another thing he often does.
True, I think that sort of thing might fall under the "fire in a theatre" exception, and very broadly "imminent lawless action". The problem is that this kinda falls apart at the "imminent" requirement; AFAIK Jones doesn't tell his listeners to go out right now and take back the country, he just plants the seeds of stochastic terrorism for somebody to eventually act on, which is legal if awful.
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Neither of those videos violate Facebook’s rules prohibiting hate speech, a Facebook spokeswoman
Places like Facebook are free to pick and choose what they consider harmful.
Louis Farrakhan OK.
Milo Yiannopoulos banned because he gives his own opinion.

Political correctness runs rife through these platforms at times.
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You can't have it both ways. If the court considers Twitter a public forum then it is and Twitter can't ban people from a public forum.
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Personally, I think Alex Jones is a shit ball. I think the Showtime Series "Homeland" did a good job creating a character based on him to show how big of a nut job he really is.

However... the left is playing with fire here. We either have free speech or we don't. Branding speech you don't agree with as hate speech and then asserting "Well, nobody has to right to have their hate speech protected" is dangerous. Who decides what is hateful?

Sarah Jeong of the NY Times was caught posting hate speech on Twitter. She wasn't banned. In fact, the NY Times defended her and hired her anyway. Why? Her targets were white people. Which, you know - is okay. I mean, who doesn't hate them some white people?

In contrast, the NY Times shitcanned someone the same day they hired them after discovering some of their unsavory online posts. Why'd this person get fired and not Sarah Jeong? They merely said they had friends who had neo-Nazi beliefs - but they didn't agree with them.

Anyway... We are getting into some interesting areas of "free speech" where these social media companies are targeting only certain groups. It would be funny if it were not so hypocritical.
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So you're saying that a legal ruling binding on the President does not count as binding on Twitter?
You can't have it both ways. If the court considers Twitter a public forum then it is and Twitter can't ban people from a public forum.
Or are you saying that the court is wrong and Twitter is not a public forum?

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That still doesn't say anything about iTunes, Youtube, or Spotify, though, and AFAIK that isn't about Twitter, it's about the President. Twitter is not a designated public forum, @realDonaldTrump is.
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you are for or against this type of expression?
or are you against the ideas expressed but in support of their right to say it?

I understand you are bringing it up as extreme examples of the things that are allowed.
I myself would remove ALL the hate filled content referenced in this thread.

but it seems to me a whole lotta people will be all over me for saying so.

even though removing this type of content in no way limits any of these
peoples right to say & believe whatever they want to.

its simply that no private or public business has any obligation to spread
or repeat such sentiments. given that it is in every case against the TOS.

is there anything youve seen here you would remove?
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