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Old 12-07-2017, 06:30 AM   #1
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He killed Bin Laden! And, you're racist because you try to blame him for the USAF problems! Trump is the POTUS now. Its all his fault!
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Wait, where is it in the article that the fault falls on Obama?

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I too am worried that we won't have the military might to defeat North Korea.
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He killed Bin Laden! And, you're racist because you try to blame him for the USAF problems! Trump is the POTUS now. Its all his fault!
Racist for implying that the budget cuts Obama made are having an effect?
Iron_warmonger made no reference to race.
The article made no reference to race.

The first person to raise the issue of race is you.
That tends to make you the racist, reading racism into everything so that you can ignore valid issues as being racist.
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He killed Bin Laden! And, you're racist because you try to blame him for the USAF problems! Trump is the POTUS now. Its all his fault!
Racist for implying that the budget cuts Obama made are having an effect?
Iron_warmonger made no reference to race.
The article made no reference to race.

The first person to raise the issue of race is you.
That tends to make you the racist, reading racism into everything so that you can ignore valid issues as being racist.
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Between the wars winding down and the sequester one would expect the military budget to decrease. Leave it to the Trump Network (Faux News) and RWNJs to blame Obama.
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Between the wars winding down and the sequester one would expect the military budget to decrease. Leave it to the Trump Network (Faux News) and RWNJs to blame Obama.
so when obama cut the defense spending by 5.0% in 2012 and 10.5% in 2013 whose fault was it?
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Between the wars winding down and the sequester one would expect the military budget to decrease. Leave it to the Trump Network (Faux News) and RWNJs to blame Obama.
so when obama cut the defense spending by 5.0% in 2012 and 10.5% in 2013 whose fault was it?
Can't speak as to the 2012 shrinkage, but the 2013 one is the sequester, like he said.
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so when obama cut the defense spending by 5.0% in 2012 and 10.5% in 2013 whose fault was it?
Trump's. He's the current President so anything that goes wrong is his fault.
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so when obama cut the defense spending by 5.0% in 2012 and 10.5% in 2013 whose fault was it?
Can't speak as to the 2012 shrinkage, but the 2013 one is the sequester, like he said.
almost every year he either cut the defense budget or basically left it flat
09 +0.2%
10 +3.4%
11 -0.6%
12 -5.0%
13 -10.5%
14 +0.6%
15 +3.8%

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In 2009, during his first year in office, Obama directed then–defense secretary Robert Gates to cut about $300 billion from Pentagon programs, which had the effect of eliminating several of the major weapons-acquisitions projects that had survived Donald Rumsfeld’s attempt to “transform” the force by “skipping a generation of weapons systems.” The poster child for this round of cuts was the F-22 fighter. It was the first substantial attempt to deploy stealth and other technologies meant to ensure American air superiority for decades to come. Gates terminated the F-22 at just 187 planes instead of the 750 originally planned by the Air Force.

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Between the wars winding down and the sequester one would expect the military budget to decrease. Leave it to the Trump Network (Faux News) and RWNJs to blame Obama.
so when obama cut the defense spending by 5.0% in 2012 and 10.5% in 2013 whose fault was it?
Do you have a problem cutting defense spending when wars are winding down? Do you think a Republican would not also have cut defense spending? To call it someone's "fault" is to show that you don't want to face reality, all you want to do is blame Obama.

Read this to get some idea of the reasons for fluctuations, up or down, in spending on the military.
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so when obama cut the defense spending by 5.0% in 2012 and 10.5% in 2013 whose fault was it?
Do you have a problem cutting defense spending when wars are winding down? Do you think a Republican would not also have cut defense spending? To call it someone's "fault" is to show that you don't want to face reality, all you want to do is blame Obama.

Read this to get some idea of the reasons for fluctuations, up or down, in spending on the military.
I actually read that article before I posted and the quote from it that makes me skeptical of its validity is
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I do have a problem with defense spending cuts because everything seems fine, Bill Clinton did that and when he was done gutting the military we were attacked on US soil and spending had to increase at a much faster rate
2001 +10.1%
2002 +8.2%
2003 +26.0%
2004 +7.6%
2005 +3.1%
2006 +10%
2007 +12.5%
2008 +11.3%
then of course are obamas numbers from above, every democrat does it, they cut the shit out of the defense spending(mostly new equipment).
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Do you understand the line you're quoting? It says that if things are going well (absence of a new sense of insecurity) he expects spending to decrease. What is wrong with that?


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I do have a problem with defense spending cuts because everything seems fine, Bill Clinton did that and when he was done gutting the military we were attacked on US soil and spending had to increase at a much faster rate
Only a fool would think that 9-11 would have been prevented by increased military spending. Matter of fact, a case could be made that the opposite is true because one of the reasons bin Laden attacked the WTC is said to be the first Gulf war and our military bases in Saudi Arabia.
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I actually read that article before I posted and the quote from it that makes me skeptical of its validity is
Do you understand the line you're quoting? It says that if things are going well (absence of a new sense of insecurity) he expects spending to decrease. What is wrong with that?


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I do have a problem with defense spending cuts because everything seems fine, Bill Clinton did that and when he was done gutting the military we were attacked on US soil and spending had to increase at a much faster rate
Only a fool would think that 9-11 would have been prevented by increased military spending. Matter of fact, a case could be made that the opposite is true because one of the reasons bin Laden attacked the WTC is said to be the first Gulf war and our military bases in Saudi Arabia.


Wow you really don't understand English. He never said increased military spending would have prevented 911. What he said was to be able to respond after 911 we had to spend ten fold to get the military back up and into action. Holy fuck learn to read.
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Do you understand the line you're quoting? It says that if things are going well (absence of a new sense of insecurity) he expects spending to decrease. What is wrong with that?
I see, so, your savoir obama fixed everything? global terrorism has been annihilated?

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I do have a problem with defense spending cuts because everything seems fine, Bill Clinton did that and when he was done gutting the military we were attacked on US soil and spending had to increase at a much faster rate
Only a fool would think that 9-11 would have been prevented by increased military spending. Matter of fact, a case could be made that the opposite is true because one of the reasons bin Laden attacked the WTC is said to be the first Gulf war and our military bases in Saudi Arabia.
then you must be that fool because you are the only one making that connection

what would have prevented it is if bill clinton had addressed the issue of bin laden after the 1st WTC attack or the USS Cole attack or the embassy bombings in africa. But no, he, in fact, on 9/10/2001, was laughing about how he could have killed bin laden but didn't
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/bill-cl...ama-bin-laden/
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Wow you really don't understand English. He never said increased military spending would have prevented 911. What he said was to be able to respond after 911 we had to spend ten fold to get the military back up and into action. Holy fuck learn to read.
No dude, you're twisting his words. But I expect no intelligent response from you, you're not capable of it. All you do is rant rant rant.
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then you must be that fool because you are the only one making that connection
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If you are not blaming the 9-11 attacks on a reduced military budget why did you say Clinton gutted the military and then we were attacked. If there were no connection in your mind why did you connect the two in the sentence?

You said it and if you didn't mean it you should explain how you fucked up rather than try a 65daft tactic and blame the reader.
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Wow you really don't understand English. He never said increased military spending would have prevented 911. What he said was to be able to respond after 911 we had to spend ten fold to get the military back up and into action. Holy fuck learn to read.
No dude, you're twisting his words. But I expect no intelligent response from you, you're not capable of it. All you do is rant rant rant.


Nope no twisting especially since he backed up what he said the same as I did. So the only twisting here is you.
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