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Old 08-11-2017, 03:32 PM   #1
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Economy Is this Restriction of Trade?

I have been saving up for a computer part I need, in particular a WD Elements 2TB portable hard dirve, that I need for a project I am working on. I have an Amazon credit card, and I have been saving "points" for it for a while now. and it had been sitting in my cart for a few months.

Today I when to check on my number of point I found I have enough to buy it. When I when to my cart I found that it was no longer there, it has been moved to my "save for later" group because that drive in question was now exclusively sold ONLY TO PRIME MEMBERS! And it only the 2TB model, the 1, 3 and 4TB model are not prime only!

I don't need prime, I don't want prime, I can't avoid prime. As present prime membership is $10.99 a month, which is basically for free shipping, and I don't buy enough to need that much free shipping!

Could this be consider restriction of trade? I know that some will say, No as a company that can do what every they want, but the timing of this is what I feel is strange, the same day I have the points, is the exact same day it goes prime exclusive. And additionally, three months ago, Amazon make my last order PRIME, without my permission! I had to get my credit card company to reverse the charges because of that and since then amazon has been trying to force me to be come a prime member, this is just the latest attempt.
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no sir, no how, no way

its restriction of you
(Amazon is fucking you over, that IS the business )

but:
if the difference between the 2TB & the 3TB is not much more than Prime why not buy the 3TB?
and if it is much more then go for Prime & drop it in about 3 weeks
(or the first month)

ps: contact Amazon & raise hell
posting here wont change your situation
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Hmm... as a prime member since 2010 - never had a chance to complain.
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Sign up for Prime, ship the drive, cancel Prime. An intelligent person would have figured this out by now.
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What are POINTS.... Ive been a prime member for over 5 years and never herd of them..
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What are POINTS.... Ive been a prime member for over 5 years and never herd of them..

I have a Amazon Visa Credit card that every purchase I make give me points (each worth $0.01), the exact amount of points varies based on the source, buying at Amazon is 3 points per dollar, gas is 2, everything else is 1. I discovered that my Discover card also does this. I have not spend real money at Amazon is well over a year.
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Sign up for Prime, ship the drive, cancel Prime. An intelligent person would have figured this out by now.

When they forced me to become prime, I spend two hours trying to figure out how to do that on there web site, that is why I had to get the charges reversed. Also prime is rather confusing, on one page is says $99 per year, on another its says $10.99 a month, well $10.99 x 12 does not equal $99!!!

The point is making an order of $46, that I clearly marked free 5 to 8 day shipping, prime and signing me up for something I did not ask for, and then hurrasing me for two month about it does make me want to sign up for it, just go get a drive.
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Sign up for Prime, ship the drive, cancel Prime. An intelligent person would have figured this out by now.

When they forced me to become prime, I spend two hours trying to figure out how to do that on there web site, that is why I had to get the charges reversed. Also prime is rather confusing, on one page is says $99 per year, on another its says $10.99 a month, well $10.99 x 12 does not equal $99!!!

The point is making an order of $46, that I clearly marked free 5 to 8 day shipping, prime and signing me up for something I did not ask for, and then hurrasing me for two month about it does make me want to sign up for it, just go get a drive.

The $99 annual price is a volume discount, just like when you get a "baker's dozen" doughnuts for the price of 12 at the bakery. They aren't stealing a doughnut from you when you buy one doughnut every day for 12 days and don't get the 13th one you would have gotten had you purchased the dozen all at once.

That price on the drive is a promotional price for Prime users. Amazon probably buys those drives by the container-load so Western Digital makes them a more attractive price. The drive is available for non-prime users with free shipping if you click on the button to the right where it lists "other sellers on Amazon". It's more expensive of course, probably because the other vendor doesn't get the volume shipping discounts that Amazon can negotiate and rolls their shipping price into the item price (even though it claims "free" shipping). Since it's fulfilled through Amazon you can still use your credit.
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A lot of store have specials for certain types of members.
It's your decision as to whether you want to take up then options.
Just don't give them free access to your bank account.

I always charge things to a credit card and then pay off the credit card each month. It's easier to put a stopper on a credit card item than to claw money back from a bank.
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Do you consider Costco or a social drinking club that requires member ship to be a restriction on free trade?

But basically no its not you have a choice of where to buy the product you don't have to buy it from amazon. Also the prime gets you privilages such as if something is low on stock or on back order by paying extra money you get be first in line to get the product (hence the only available to prime members). That system works in almost every aspect of business.

Now if the not being able to use your points is your complaint your way off base there. The company gave you something. They didn't have to offer you points as you would have spent that money anywise. So there free stuff their offering to you means their rules on how you get to use it.
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Guys - I am a prime member (as mentioned above) for many years now. I order plenty of books (both for my daughter and myself), electronics (2 kindles, 2 fires, 3 tablets, 1 fablet.....and don't even get me started on my headphone collection), household items, dresses and even shoes. That combined with, amazon store card (which gives 5% cash-back), photo storage, prime video and prime music - I will even pay $199 for that gladly. This year I got points worth of 110 dollars (and counting).
Every man has his own, but I am a big time prime fan. And their return policy is just like that, no question asked !!!
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I'm not a Prime member; in fact, I very rarely order from Amazon, because they don't often have the things I want, I prefer paying cash, and things are cheaper at Walmart. So the one time I needed to order from Amazon, I signed up for Prime, placed the order, and canceled Prime after receiving the package. It seemed the intelligent thing to do.
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Guys - I am a prime member (as mentioned above) for many years now. I order plenty of books (both for my daughter and myself), electronics (2 kindles, 2 fires, 3 tablets, 1 fablet.....and don't even get me started on my headphone collection), household items, dresses and even shoes. That combined with, amazon store card (which gives 5% cash-back), photo storage, prime video and prime music - I will even pay $199 for that gladly. This year I got points worth of 110 dollars (and counting).
Every man has his own, but I am a big time prime fan. And their return policy is just like that, no question asked !!!
can you show us photos of your dresses?
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I'm not a Prime member; in fact, I very rarely order from Amazon, because they don't often have the things I want, I prefer paying cash, and things are cheaper at Walmart. So the one time I needed to order from Amazon, I signed up for Prime, placed the order, and canceled Prime after receiving the package. It seemed the intelligent thing to do.

your and my needs are different Garison. And that said, I STILL ENVY YOU.

btw, you are late for an update on your travelogue. please do the needful asap to avoid frustration at my end
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When they forced me to become prime, I spend two hours trying to figure out how to do that on there web site, that is why I had to get the charges reversed. Also prime is rather confusing, on one page is says $99 per year, on another its says $10.99 a month, well $10.99 x 12 does not equal $99!!!

The point is making an order of $46, that I clearly marked free 5 to 8 day shipping, prime and signing me up for something I did not ask for, and then hurrasing me for two month about it does make me want to sign up for it, just go get a drive.

The $99 annual price is a volume discount, just like when you get a "baker's dozen" doughnuts for the price of 12 at the bakery. They aren't stealing a doughnut from you when you buy one doughnut every day for 12 days and don't get the 13th one you would have gotten had you purchased the dozen all at once.

That price on the drive is a promotional price for Prime users. Amazon probably buys those drives by the container-load so Western Digital makes them a more attractive price. The drive is available for non-prime users with free shipping if you click on the button to the right where it lists "other sellers on Amazon". It's more expensive of course, probably because the other vendor doesn't get the volume shipping discounts that Amazon can negotiate and rolls their shipping price into the item price (even though it claims "free" shipping). Since it's fulfilled through Amazon you can still use your credit.

The price was $74.99 for the last three months, today the price is $74.99, but only prime members can buy it.
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Do you consider Costco or a social drinking club that requires member ship to be a restriction on free trade?


At Costco you know up front that they have a membership buyers club, but Amazon at no previous time said to me that any of there products are "prime members only"! That is the difference. I have seen anything like this before there.
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Could this be consider restriction of trade? I know that some will say, No as a company that can do what every they want, but the timing of this is what I feel is strange, the same day I have the points, is the exact same day it goes prime exclusive. And additionally, three months ago, Amazon make my last order PRIME, without my permission! I had to get my credit card company to reverse the charges because of that and since then amazon has been trying to force me to be come a prime member, this is just the latest attempt.
The timing means you're a paranoid nutjob. Amazon handles upwards of a billion orders per year, and has a quarter of a billion active customers. Amazon does not give a drippy shit about you personally, and would not change any of their pricing to inconvenience you.
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Now it makes sense when you mention the credit card.. I have both the those also but I rather use my Amazon store card that gives me 5% statement credit which is a better deal at the end..
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Why does it have to be that drive.. There are other 2tb drives that you can get for $10 less with great reviews.. and not to worry about prime only
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