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Old 07-28-2017, 12:29 AM   #1
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SJWs, LGBT, and Liberal heads are exploding over Trump's ban on Trans people serving in the Military.

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1. Is serving your country more important than your gender choice? If so, serve your country and be whatever you identify as at a later date.

2. The military will never take your feelings into account over the mission. If your feelings can take over your mind enough to believe that you are not what your biology says you are, you are a danger to the mission.

3. If you think transgendered people should be an exception, you clearly don't know the military does not support individualism. Teamwork is the key and everyone is the same. You are not special and the mission doesn't end where your feelings begin.

4. People of all types are disqualified from the military, it's just the way it is. You are fighting against everyone that doesn't have a choice over their own body. Your fight is taking a giant, steamy shit all over other Patriots who are in similar shoes.

5. Patriotism doesn't just come around when if benefits your narrative. Or maybe now it does. Don't be a weekend patriot. Trans people have had a couple of years to enlist. Before then, transgendered people were not allowed in the military. As has been for decades before. If you're just now getting mad about it, you're doing nothing but throwing a fit.

6. Don't ask don't tell was a great policy once upon a time. If you're gay, trans, straight, or whatever we accept you. If you're fighting alongside us, we don't care what your orientation is. We won't ask, you won't tell. Pretty easy way for us to all be the same across the board.

If you didn't serve and disagree......your opinion doesn't count.

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Old 07-28-2017, 01:41 AM   #3
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SJWs, LGBT, and Liberal heads are exploding over Trump's ban on Trans people serving in the Military.
And a lot of intelligent Republicans, too. Don't forget: people on both sides of the aisle are against this.

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Not written my me, but this is spot on:
The bigoted fear-mongering diatribe I removed from below does not take into account those soldiers who were transgender before they entered the military. It just says, "get out, because we're afraid of you."

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If you didn't serve and disagree......your opinion doesn't count.
Some of us didn't serve not because we didn't want to, but because we were deemed 4F.

Donald Trump did not serve because he didn't want to, and was rich enough to buy his way out of if.

You are saying that Donald Trump's opinion doesn't count. I'm glad you have joined the intelligent group of Republicans who agree that this ban is a bad idea.
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and it shows everytime you post (this type shit)
how did it happen you get to decide whose opinion doesnt count?

and like The Donald before you this is your effort to get attention when you cant think of anything
constructive to say or do & dont have shit on your mind

ps: you silly fuck, I cant think of any issue less important for the both of you to have seized on
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You're too stupid to serve, therefore, your idiot opinion don't count. get another hotpocket and squeeze your moms tit for me.

garison: there are trans serving, they are doing it quietly. Remember "dont ask don't tell"? they should keep it to themselves and figure it out when they leave..........

4F?

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I personally don't give a fuck if someone gobbles cock or slurps pussy.

What I do care about is some tranny flaking out because we couldn't get "its" hormones shipped in due to being on a FOB and sketchy life support coming in to the place and said tranny starts wigging out because it doesn't have its hormone replacement.

I also care about someone taking off months at a time to have an addadicktomy. You want to be a tranny? Fine, do it quietly and do your job.

The military isnt a place for wacky social experiments. Cue someone saying "well, at one time black people couldn't serve...". Not the same and you know it.

Good call by Trump (and likely Mattis). Wont be popular with the SJWs though. Meh, fuck 'em.
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The armed forces are there to serve the nation, not to be part of the left's social engineering. You want to fight? Join the army. What, you're transgender? Shut your mouth and do your duty. Worry about being transgender after your enlistment is up.

You joined the army so they could foot the bill for your operations? Why the hell should they. That's a personal choice. Not a medical emergency.

Isn't it funny how Obama pushed through a number of radical 'reforms' right at the end of his term so that he didn't have to worry about the consequences.
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Actually it is, because that is what people said about integration. Even accepting that, though, gays weren't allowed to serve at one point, what deflection can you offer for that?
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The military isnt a place for wacky social experiments. Cue someone saying "well, at one time black people couldn't serve...". Not the same and you know it.
Actually it is, because that is what people said about integration. Even accepting that, though, gays weren't allowed to serve at one point, what deflection can you offer for that?

No its not, their not saying get out because your transgender. They are saying get out, because we don't want you flying into a hormonal rage and killing your fellow officers. Their saying get out because the government should not be responsible for the cost of your operation. So it has nothing to with intergration, it has to do with a medical social experiment that could turn deadly for others.
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I wonder what Trump will ban next?

No women allowed to serve in the military?
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Now, you are doing the "what aboutism".

Completely different. If you can't understand that then there isn't much point in talking about it with you anymore.

Color has no issue with readiness or cost.

Being a tranny can and does. If you are a full on tranny and need hormone replacement therapy now we have to have the supply chain not just worry about beans, bullets, fuel and water. We have to have them figure out how to get "it" their hormones in remote areas. And long-term, the military would have to pay for their surgeries to make them feel like the person they think they should be. That's expensive. If they are going to do that, then are they going to pay for flat-chested Molly to get larger titties so she can feel like a woman?

So, what the military usually does is label you as non-deployable if you need medical care like that. Severe asthmatic? Have dental issues with 15 cavities? Stuff like that. In remote areas, the medical system may consist of one medic with an aid bag with stuff to keep you alive if you are wounded. That's it.

The military is war fighting machine - not a social justice warrior playground. That's why they don't take people that are obese. That's why they don't take diabetics. That's why they don't take people with a whole range of other medical problems.

You mention gays... Yes, and your point? They can serve now. They don't need special medicines. Look, I just need someone to do their job. If they suck other dude's dicks after-hours, who cares? Just do their job. I served with gay people. They kept quiet about it and did their job. No problem.

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Actually it is, because that is what people said about integration. Even accepting that, though, gays weren't allowed to serve at one point, what deflection can you offer for that?
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But I thought Trump was supposed to be the most LGBT friendly president ever?

Looks like he didn't even consult with Mattis or Joint Chiefs when he announced the policy... via Twitter. Yet another campaign promise broken, I guess.
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Looks like he didn't even consult with Mattis or Joint Chiefs when he announced the policy... via Twitter. Yet another campaign promise broken, I guess.

Mabey you should educate yourself before you speak. Mattis was aware of the problem for months, he avoided the problem for months. Also this not a LGBTQ matter. It is what the pentagon funds and doesn't fund. As infantry pointed the military doesn't fund boob jobs because a woman feels as if she was meant to be born big breasted.

This is once again a fault of the dems, there was a compromise on the table, that only eliminated transgeder reassignment surgery being paid for by the military. The dems and some moderate republicans refused to compromise, so guess what you don't want to play ball then neither is trump. So again the dems are the cause of this, when they wise up and realize theyare no longer playing with a light weight, and actually come to to the table to talk you won't see radical moves like this.
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Now, you are doing the "what aboutism".

Completely different. If you can't understand that then there isn't much point in talking about it with you anymore.

Color has no issue with readiness or cost.

Being a tranny can and does. If you are a full on tranny and need hormone replacement therapy now we have to have the supply chain not just worry about beans, bullets, fuel and water. We have to have them figure out how to get "it" their hormones in remote areas.
That's not a new problem, though. If the Army can keep its soldiers stocked with malaria pills, it can keep them stocked with hormone pills. And apparently it has done so; Trevor Noah had a pair of transgender veterans on Wednesday night, and the woman reports that she was going through her transition while she was serving in Afghanistan.
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If A-Cup Anny is feeling severe BDD, which cannot be treated with other psychiatric therapy, maybe. If it's for maintaining the mental health of an asset they have already invested hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of training into, I expect they would see to it that her cups overfloweth. If she just wants to impress her boyfriend, she can pay for her own surgery.
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The military isnt a place for wacky social experiments. Cue someone saying "well, at one time black people couldn't serve...". Not the same and you know it.
Actually it is, because that is what people said about integration. Even accepting that, though, gays weren't allowed to serve at one point, what deflection can you offer for that?

Gay people have always been in the military. Worked with many, they did their jobs, and kept their mouths shut.

Letting in new trannies causes alot more problems that meds, if them fuckers can't figure out who they are, wtf would I want them watching my back in combat.
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Speaking of mental disorders, I mean, you realize that this tranny thing is basically a mental disorder. Gender dysphoria.

Boo, hiss... I know, I know. People don't choose it... I get it.

There are many problems with military life being compatible with transgender people. There is a high depression and suicide rate among the transgender population. Add that to the rate of PTSD among combat vets and its not a pretty picture.

But, most likely won't see combat especially if they are "transitioning". I heard a stat that said the average person having surgeries and "transitioning" would be out for almost 250 days. For someone on a 4 year enlistment, that's nearly a quarter of the time. And, then there's the cost.

Yeah, yeah, I get it. A Navy SEAL retired and then came out as a tranny. Hooray! Good for him/her. Could some do the job? Sure. I'd be more ok with it if they did all their transitioning before hand. Like, full transition and then go into the military. Still there's the issue of the suicide rate and the ability to keep "it" in supply of the right hormones. You just don't flip them a malaria pill. There is testing involved.

I'm disheartened that you think Flat CHested Molly just wants to impress her boyfriend with fake titties. Some women feel very un-feminine with small tits and it makes them feel better to have bigger ones. Why is their feelings not important?


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And long-term, the military would have to pay for their surgeries to make them feel like the person they think they should be. That's expensive. If they are going to do that, then are they going to pay for flat-chested Molly to get larger titties so she can feel like a woman?
If A-Cup Anny is feeling severe BDD, which cannot be treated with other psychiatric therapy, maybe. If it's for maintaining the mental health of an asset they have already invested hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of training into, I expect they would see to it that her cups overfloweth. If she just wants to impress her boyfriend, she can pay for her own surgery.
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Speaking of mental disorders, I mean, you realize that this tranny thing is basically a mental disorder. Gender dysphoria.
And gender reassignment surgery and/or hormone replacement therapy are some of the best methods for treating it. Why do you hate our soldiers so much that you think the government shouldn't pay for their care?
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As I understand it, that's mainly because of the ostracism transgender people face in their communities. When they're accepted as human beings, they're significantly less likely to kill themselves.
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But, most likely won't see combat especially if they are "transitioning". I heard a stat that said the average person having surgeries and "transitioning" would be out for almost 250 days. For someone on a 4 year enlistment, that's nearly a quarter of the time. And, then there's the cost.

Yeah, yeah, I get it. A Navy SEAL retired and then came out as a tranny. Hooray! Good for him/her. Could some do the job? Sure. I'd be more ok with it if they did all their transitioning before hand. Like, full transition and then go into the military. Still there's the issue of the suicide rate and the ability to keep "it" in supply of the right hormones. You just don't flip them a malaria pill. There is testing involved.
I repeat, SGM(ret) Jennifer Long was able to transition while serving in Afghanistan. It can be done because it has been done.
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Because her feelings are not her mental wellness and ability to fight.

E: Of course, this debate is probably going to be meaningless in the end, because the Pentagon doesn't much give a shit about the First Twitter.
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You ever served in a combat zone? No? Oh ok.


I don't care for you insinuation about me hating soldiers. I don't.

But, I know what works and doesn't work in combat zone. And, in the end, that's all I care about.

Had a soldier come up as a diabetic type I while on a deployment ot Afghanistan. Good dude. Hated to lose him but we couldn't rely on him getting insulin. And, ultimately, that's all its about.

Like I said, being in the military is no place of social experimentation. You know dude, maybe in the early to mid 90s when we were al in garrison and not deployed. But not now.

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And gender reassignment surgery and/or hormone replacement therapy are some of the best methods for treating it. Why do you hate our soldiers so much that you think the government shouldn't pay for their care?
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There are many problems with military life being compatible with transgender people. There is a high depression and suicide rate among the transgender population. Add that to the rate of PTSD among combat vets and its not a pretty picture.
As I understand it, that's mainly because of the ostracism transgender people face in their communities. When they're accepted as human beings, they're significantly less likely to kill themselves.
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But, most likely won't see combat especially if they are "transitioning". I heard a stat that said the average person having surgeries and "transitioning" would be out for almost 250 days. For someone on a 4 year enlistment, that's nearly a quarter of the time. And, then there's the cost.

Yeah, yeah, I get it. A Navy SEAL retired and then came out as a tranny. Hooray! Good for him/her. Could some do the job? Sure. I'd be more ok with it if they did all their transitioning before hand. Like, full transition and then go into the military. Still there's the issue of the suicide rate and the ability to keep "it" in supply of the right hormones. You just don't flip them a malaria pill. There is testing involved.
I repeat, SGM(ret) Jennifer Long was able to transition while serving in Afghanistan. It can be done because it has been done.
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I'm disheartened that you think Flat CHested Molly just wants to impress her boyfriend with fake titties. Some women feel very un-feminine with small tits and it makes them feel better to have bigger ones. Why is their feelings not important?
Because her feelings are not her mental wellness and ability to fight.

E: Of course, this debate is probably going to be meaningless in the end, because the Pentagon doesn't much give a shit about the First Twitter.
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There is of course the fact that transgenderism is only a theory.
In fifty years doctors might be laughing at our attempts to turn men into women and vice versa instead of treating the real problem, a chemical imbalance in the brain.

Just because it's considered fashionable doesn't mean that it's real.
It may turn out to be a simple disease with a simple treatment.
Again, the current theory might turn out to be spot on, with improved techniques used to resolve the issue.

Also, we're talking about 0.03% to 0.06% of the population.
There are far larger problems that people should be concerned about.

A lot of these niche issues are there for one purpose and one purpose only.
To distract the public from more meaningful things that are not being addressed.
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But, I know what works and doesn't work in combat zone. And, in the end, that's all I care about.
And so does the transgender veteran I've been quoting so much.
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Anecdotal AF.

Can you point to more than one tranny? No? I can point to 20 people without even trying.

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And so does the transgender veteran I've been quoting so much.
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