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Old 03-11-2017, 11:46 AM   #21
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Whats funny here is your trying every deflection trick in the book, to avoid the fact that the left said trump was crazy for saying he was wire tapped. Now its, well trump wasn't directly wire tapped, so were still kinda right. That is whole left's defense for once again being wrong, and once again believing their crappy news. Haven't you learned yet to not believe a thing the news says till it has been out for more than a few hours.
So you admit Trump was not wiretapped, then call the left wrong for saying he wasn't wiretapped. How stupid is that?
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Whats funny here is your trying every deflection trick in the book, to avoid the fact that the left said trump was crazy for saying he was wire tapped. Now its, well trump wasn't directly wire tapped, so were still kinda right. That is whole left's defense for once again being wrong, and once again believing their crappy news. Haven't you learned yet to not believe a thing the news says till it has been out for more than a few hours.
So you admit Trump was not wiretapped, then call the left wrong for saying he wasn't wiretapped. How stupid is that?

Dear lord bill you can you just not avoid twisting something I say. I didn't say any of that. I didn't even give my opinion on the story. But yet some how in your crazy little mind you have twisted into where i have given a comment on the actual story. What I gave an opinion on was how the left handle the story and their reaction. Get shit right, instead of just making up a scenario you like in your head.
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So you admit Trump was not wiretapped, then call the left wrong for saying he wasn't wiretapped. How stupid is that?

Dear lord bill you can you just not avoid twisting something I say. I didn't say any of that. I didn't even give my opinion on the story. But yet some how in your crazy little mind you have twisted into where i have given a comment on the actual story. What I gave an opinion on was how the left handle the story and their reaction. Get shit right, instead of just making up a scenario you like in your head.
When you said "Now its, well trump wasn't directly wire tapped, so were still kinda right" I thought you were speaking in first person voice. After your response I see you meant that's what the left was saying. God I wish you could express yourself better. Dumbass!

In any case, Trump claimed he was wiretapped, he was not. So there's no "still kinda right" about it. They were right, he was not wiretapped. It's the people who have their head so far up Trump's ass that they breathe farts who are twisting this into claiming he was wiretapped.
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Dear lord bill you can you just not avoid twisting something I say. I didn't say any of that. I didn't even give my opinion on the story. But yet some how in your crazy little mind you have twisted into where i have given a comment on the actual story. What I gave an opinion on was how the left handle the story and their reaction. Get shit right, instead of just making up a scenario you like in your head.
When you said "Now its, well trump wasn't directly wire tapped, so were still kinda right" I thought you were speaking in first person voice. After your response I see you meant that's what the left was saying. God I wish you could express yourself better. Dumbass!

In any case, Trump claimed he was wiretapped, he was not. So there's no "still kinda right" about it. They were right, he was not wiretapped. It's the people who have their head so far up Trump's ass that they breathe farts who are twisting this into claiming he was wiretapped.


Well as it goes the left is making those claims. And as stated I have not made an opinion. They have asked for trump to provide his evidence by tuesday, when that does or dosen't happen I will make an opinion then. Not jump the gun, and call him crazy, because that is what the news told me to do.
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Dear lord bill you can you just not avoid twisting something I say. I didn't say any of that. I didn't even give my opinion on the story. But yet some how in your crazy little mind you have twisted into where i have given a comment on the actual story. What I gave an opinion on was how the left handle the story and their reaction. Get shit right, instead of just making up a scenario you like in your head.
When you said "Now its, well trump wasn't directly wire tapped, so were still kinda right" I thought you were speaking in first person voice. After your response I see you meant that's what the left was saying. God I wish you could express yourself better. Dumbass!

In any case, Trump claimed he was wiretapped, he was not. So there's no "still kinda right" about it. They were right, he was not wiretapped. It's the people who have their head so far up Trump's ass that they breathe farts who are twisting this into claiming he was wiretapped.


Bill I also have to point this out simply because you just couldn't avoid the insult. I was very clear as to what I said. I said the left was saying at the begining and the end of my statement. It simply shows, as you have shown before, you cannot follow a story line. You take a tidbit, focus on that and ignore what is around it. So it is your lack of comprehension that is the problem, not me expressing myself. So seriously you shouldn't be slinging insults when the problem inlies with you and not me.
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Time to revisit this thread...

http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/18/politi...ans/index.html

All the denials about six months ago. Trump is crazy. His campaign wasn't wiretapped...

Well, turns out it was.
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Manafort was the subject in a 2014 FISA warrant. That was long before the Trump campaign so it obviously had nothing to do with the campaign. Later, more info was developed and he again came under surveillance. It was Manafort, personally, that was the subject - not the campaign. Maybe Trump should have vetted his associates more closely, and not just Manafort but many others too.

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Yes, clearly Obama used a time machine to begin wiretapping Manafort in 2014 long before he joined the Trump campaign so that he could lure him into hiring the douche.

FFS, you Trump apologists are pathetic. I look forward to the maligning of facts you'll do now to make your Rocket Man look good.
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Yes, clearly Obama used a time machine to begin wiretapping Manafort in 2014 long before he joined the Trump campaign so that he could lure him into hiring the douche.

FFS, you Trump apologists are pathetic. I look forward to the maligning of facts you'll do now to make your Rocket Man look good.
Probably the same time machine that his mother used to ensure his birth announcement was in the Hawaiian newspapers.
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Manafort was the subject in a 2014 FISA warrant. That was long before the Trump campaign so it obviously had nothing to do with the campaign. Later, more info was developed and he again came under surveillance. It was Manafort, personally, that was the subject - not the campaign. Maybe Trump should have vetted his associates more closely, and not just Manafort but many others too.

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Oh the denials are so great. Trump was correct that he was wire tapped. But you fucking liberals instead of just admitting you were wrong will use any excuse. Well trump wasn't the target so it don't count. Well the first warrant was well before the campaign so it don't count(we will just ignore the other warrants issued later.). More typical twisting in the wind to avoid the fact you were wrong.
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So much fake news... The irony is that each side believes there is fake news against their "side" but doesn't believe there is fake news against the other side.

Much of this Russia investigation is simply fake news. Another irony, is that "fake news" and Russian collusion helped Trump defeat Hillary.

A couple of news flashes. Hillary was a horrible candidate who lost on her own merits. Did she have a home brewed server that she passed classified data on? Yes. That's not fake news. That's all on her. Not some Russian collusion. She blames everyone but herself. Her current book tour proves that. I mean, I get it, if I were her I'd be extremely upset, too. She lost to Donald Freaking Trump. It was "her turn", right? She lost to Obama and then Trump. That has to sting. But, she's the one that made poor choices and she's simply not trustworthy or likeable. Why didn't she campaign in Wisconsin? Shit like that, you know? All her fault. For those that think, we'd magically be in a better place if she were POTUS - wake up. She'd be terrible.

Second newsflash.... The Russians have been in the disinformation business for decades. A decent book by one of the highest ranking people to defect from the former Eastern bloc explains a lot of it. Romanian LTG Ion Mihai Pacepa's book...

The Russians are probably delighted that half the US (with a willing accomplice in the media) are pushing a story about the Russians allegedly helping Trump. The Russians just want to weaken the US in any way possible. Right now, their best way is to appear to be helping Trump. You really think they were "scared" of Hillary? LOL. The Russians have been successful because they've got the US media to essentially go as far as to say the election in 2016 was illegitimate. Even Hillary herself said something the other day about overturning the results of the election. She simply cannot accept that she lost. And a sympathetic media is right along with her.

Comey and Clapper both categorically deny any wiretaps against the Trump campaign. Clapper unequivocally denied it. Then again, Clapper has a history of lying to the public. Maybe that makes him a good intell chief. Or a good disinformation agent...

There was a wiretap. It was targeted first at "citizen Manafort" in 2014. It was dropped. Why do they drop investigations? Lack of evidence. It was restarted again during the campaign and lasted until after the election. This included a five month period when Manafort was Trump's campaign chair. I've read no less than four articles today trying to spin "well, this doesn't necessarily prove Trump was right...they could have decided to not collect on Manafort when he was at Trump Tower". LOL Sure.

While Trump himself was not the target, his campaign chair WAS the target. You don't need Trump to be the target because Manafort was presumably talking to Trump a lot as the chair.

Lets recap... Part of Trump's campaign was wiretapped - just as he alleged. Both Comey and Clapper denied it in on national TV. We have Obama appointees reading these wiretaps and seeking to "unmask" protected USPERs. This has all the makings of a political shenanigans that we haven't seen since the Nixon years. And, the alleged heavy-handed "shock and awe" no knock warrant on Manafort - who apparently had been cooperating - is rather interesting. A classic case of "you're going to jail unless you tell us everything you know" intimidation techniques. Add in a dash of an investigative team stacked with Obama and Clinton donors and well, which way do you think this is gonna go?

This investigation doesn't seem to be the type of investigation Hillary underwent where Hillary's team was allowed to dictate the terms of turning over phones, laptops, emails or even answering questions. Its laughable.
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Oh the denials are so great. Trump was correct that he was wire tapped. But you fucking liberals instead of just admitting you were wrong will use any excuse. Well trump wasn't the target so it don't count. Well the first warrant was well before the campaign so it don't count(we will just ignore the other warrants issued later.). More typical twisting in the wind to avoid the fact you were wrong.
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... There was a wiretap. It was targeted first at "citizen Manafort" in 2014. It was dropped. Why do they drop investigations? Lack of evidence. It was restarted again during the campaign and lasted until after the election. This included a five month period when Manafort was Trump's campaign chair. I've read no less than four articles today trying to spin "well, this doesn't necessarily prove Trump was right...they could have decided to not collect on Manafort when he was at Trump Tower". LOL Sure.
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Let's see if I can summarize your position. Judges were convinced enough to issue FISA warrants, but since Manafort finagled his way into the Trump campaign he gets a pass. Is that about right?
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Oh the denials are so great. Trump was correct that he was wire tapped. But you fucking liberals instead of just admitting you were wrong will use any excuse. Well trump wasn't the target so it don't count. Well the first warrant was well before the campaign so it don't count(we will just ignore the other warrants issued later.). More typical twisting in the wind to avoid the fact you were wrong.
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More projecting? Or mabey you truly are so pathetic you can't come up with something of your own. Or mabey its just habit you know the left can only repeat what the left echo chamber says, so mabey that truly is all you can do is repeat what you heard like a parrot.
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That's not a good or accurate summary.

You skipped over the part where they had to drop the first wiretap that had nothing at all to do with Trump. It was dealing with Manafort's consulting with Ukraine. Dropped for lack of evidence.

Which actually brings up another point. Manafort may have been doing something shady with his business dealings with Russia. May have been. But, where is this Russia collusion? Colluded to do what? Convince Hillary not campaign in Wisconsin? Convince Hillary to make dumb statements on her email server?

She lost because she was terrible. Not because of some alleged collusion with Russia.

Russia tries to interfere all the time. The Dems are just mad because this time it allegedly was to hurt them. Most of the time it is likely to help them. Of the two main parties in US politics, the Dems are more aligned with the Commie/Socialists than the Republicans. And have been for decades. Jane Fonda touring North Vietnam? Bernie Sanders honeymooning in the Soviet Union?

But, now that the Russians allegedly didn't help THEM, well, by God, as Meathead says, "we are at war!". Its laughable.

But more disturbing is people like Susan Rice and Samantha Powers who appeared to use their positions to collect on US citizens. Unmask them i.e. find out their names and then somehow that gets leaked in the press. I get it, man. You don't have any problem with it because you don't like Trump. But, you should have a problem with it, period. I'm confident that if it were the GOP doing this, you'd be having a shit fit.



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... There was a wiretap. It was targeted first at "citizen Manafort" in 2014. It was dropped. Why do they drop investigations? Lack of evidence. It was restarted again during the campaign and lasted until after the election. This included a five month period when Manafort was Trump's campaign chair. I've read no less than four articles today trying to spin "well, this doesn't necessarily prove Trump was right...they could have decided to not collect on Manafort when he was at Trump Tower". LOL Sure.
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Let's see if I can summarize your position. Judges were convinced enough to issue FISA warrants, but since Manafort finagled his way into the Trump campaign he gets a pass. Is that about right?
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You want to see Tucker Carlson own Meathead on this "we are at war with Russia"... http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/09/2...r-donald-trump

What a selectively outraged jackass...Meathead.

Carlson gets a sick burn on him about China's hacking. Why? Because Hollywood lets China take their movies and change them to suit Chinese censorship. As Carlson says, the only reason Meathead is upset now because Hillary lost.
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Wrong.

Unless you want to call the NY Times a RWNJ echo chamber. That'd be a first.

From the NY Times in Jan 2017:



That's the NY Times...

So the NY Times reported (more than once) about wiretaps into Trump et al. Are they wrong or lying?

The National Review also reported on the FISA warrants. Shuguy probably won't read this article - or any of them because, well, critical thinking is not his bag. BUt, I encourage the rest of you to read them.

Secondly, how did we get the reports of FLynn's conversations with the Russian ambassador? I'll save you some egg on your face because I feel like you're gonna say, "cause we were tapping the Russians"... Intell oversight says if you realize a USPER (US person) is part of a collection you have to stop and get a warrant to continue to collect. Did they do that? If so, under what legal authority? Regardless, leaking that conversation was/is a felony.

As much as the left, and many on the right cheered taking down LTG(R) Flynn, there are problems with it. I actually know the guy. Not "know" him like go over his house. He can be an asshole - no question about it. Many in the DIA openly revolted at his rough around the edges persona. He was a great field grade officer. As a General, meh... Not so much. At any rate, this article goes into why the methods for taking him down were not legal or "good".

Finally, I leave you with this nugget. Obama, in his last month in office, essentially opened the floodgates for Americans - not just Trump and Republicans - to be collected upon and not be given the protections that previously existed.

Cheer it on at your own peril. You won't like it when it happens in reverse - or to you.


Cool.

I mean, you're again wrong because you cling to Breitbart, but at least you wasted a lot of text saying it.

There's also the fact that TRUMP IS THE FUCKING PRESIDENT. He can request whatever he wants. Instead, he's relying on RWNJ sources to get his intelligence briefings.
if you think i am going to subscribe to a piece of shit like the washington compost to read your article you are even stupider that previously shown. link to free articles dumbass
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Yep, its a pay site because its such a piece of shit of a newspaper that nobody hardly subscribes to it anymore.

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Cool.

I mean, you're again wrong because you cling to Breitbart, but at least you wasted a lot of text saying it.

There's also the fact that TRUMP IS THE FUCKING PRESIDENT. He can request whatever he wants. Instead, he's relying on RWNJ sources to get his intelligence briefings.
if you think i am going to subscribe to a piece of shit like the washington compost to read your article you are even stupider that previously shown. link to free articles dumbass
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That's not a good or accurate summary.

You skipped over the part where they had to drop the first wiretap that had nothing at all to do with Trump. It was dealing with Manafort's consulting with Ukraine. Dropped for lack of evidence.

Which actually brings up another point. Manafort may have been doing something shady with his business dealings with Russia. May have been. But, where is this Russia collusion? Colluded to do what? ...
That's not the point, you're deflecting. The allegation was that Obama had the Trump campaign tapped. Evidence shows that that's not the case.

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But more disturbing is people like Susan Rice and Samantha Powers who appeared to use their positions to collect on US citizens. Unmask them i.e. find out their names and then somehow that gets leaked in the press. I get it, man. You don't have any problem with it because you don't like Trump. But, you should have a problem with it, period. I'm confident that if it were the GOP doing this, you'd be having a shit fit.
Omitting the fact that you're engaging in whataboutism here, they've been investigating this unmasking for months now. It's going to go the way of the Benghazi investigations. All smoke, no fire, just a bunch of RWNJs shouting UNMASKING! UNMASKING! UNMASKING!
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