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Old 07-06-2017, 06:44 PM   #1
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http://theduran.com/12-baseless-claims-russiagate/

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baseless claims?
because you said so?

the article you linked to says there is no evidence for many of the 12 listed claims.

like Hillarys email scandal
or Benghazi
or indict Hillary

that didnt stop your nutjob dumbass from being all over them
member?

also telling is the article refutes each successive claim by taking
its previous opinion as an actual fact.

which is another habit of you nutjobs:
you make up your own facts

which you then use to prove whatever dumbass claim you wanna make.
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I'm personally surprised that it's InfantryStud who posted this garbage. He's not yet the stupidest of the Republican posters here, and should be intelligent enough to understand that this article is worthless.

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Examination of the evidence for every one of the 12 claims made about Russiagate shows that they are untrue.
(1) The Russians hacked the DNC’s and John Podesta’s computers and stole the emails they found there
This is the original, central claim in the Russiagate scandal. Every other claim which has been made by its believers stems from it. Should it ever be proved to be untrue then all the theories which have abounded during the scandal, and all the claims of Russian meddling in the US Presidential election and of collusion between Russia and the Trump campaign, will collapse.
The very first claim the article makes is that all twelve points are untrue. The very next statement the article makes is that the root point of the issue has not been proved untrue yet, which means the remaining eleven points are still in question.

Only a complete idiot would believe anything else this article says -- or, for that matter, read anything past the first four paragraphs.
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First, I'd say you have to prove something as true and not prove it as untrue. Like, if I said you were a tax cheating murderer... I mean, its up to you to prove it untrue, right?

Thankfully, for sane people, that's not how it works.

All of the points the article makes have been central themes on a daily basis since the election. CNN, MSNBC... Hell, even in the last few days the standard line of "all 17 intelligence agencies assess Russia interfered with our election" has been accepted as fact without question. Until now... Apparently, only 4 of the 17 have made that assessment. The NY Times and AP had to retract.

Hell we even have CNN operatives being caught on video saying the Russia thing was "BS" or a "nothing burger". Yet, it still persists.

Why does it enrage you guys so much? I posted an article and said "interesting reading" and the two of you launch as if I said your mothers were whores. Why does it trigger you so much?




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I'm personally surprised that it's InfantryStud who posted this garbage. He's not yet the stupidest of the Republican posters here, and should be intelligent enough to understand that this article is worthless.

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Examination of the evidence for every one of the 12 claims made about Russiagate shows that they are untrue.
(1) The Russians hacked the DNC’s and John Podesta’s computers and stole the emails they found there
This is the original, central claim in the Russiagate scandal. Every other claim which has been made by its believers stems from it. Should it ever be proved to be untrue then all the theories which have abounded during the scandal, and all the claims of Russian meddling in the US Presidential election and of collusion between Russia and the Trump campaign, will collapse.
The very first claim the article makes is that all twelve points are untrue. The very next statement the article makes is that the root point of the issue has not been proved untrue yet, which means the remaining eleven points are still in question.

Only a complete idiot would believe anything else this article says -- or, for that matter, read anything past the first four paragraphs.
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First, I'd say you have to prove something as true and not prove it as untrue. Like, if I said you were a tax cheating murderer... I mean, its up to you to prove it untrue, right?

Thankfully, for sane people, that's not how it works.
no matter how you think it works:

you cant prove a negative
and its innocent until proven guilty

so, no, its not up to anybody to prove your claims are untrue
your head is so far up your ass you dont even know the burden is
on you to prove your outrageous claims.

also I think that you believe nobody will see how you reversed yourself.
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You have a mental defect. You literally have no idea what you're arguing.

On second thought, maybe you are a raging alcoholic and get on here and post when you are rip roaring drunk. That could be it, too.

Either way, you're a sad, pathetic person.

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First, I'd say you have to prove something as true and not prove it as untrue. Like, if I said you were a tax cheating murderer... I mean, its up to you to prove it untrue, right?

Thankfully, for sane people, that's not how it works.
no matter how you think it works:

you cant prove a negative
and its innocent until proven guilty

so, no, its not up to anybody to prove your claims are untrue
your head is so far up your ass you dont even know the burden is
on you to prove your outrageous claims.

also I think that you believe nobody will see how you reversed yourself.
fucking dumbass
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... Hell, even in the last few days the standard line of "all 17 intelligence agencies assess Russia interfered with our election" has been accepted as fact without question. Until now... Apparently, only 4 of the 17 have made that assessment. The NY Times and AP had to retract. ...
How about saying this: Every US intelligence agency that has looked into it has agreed that the Russians did it.
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How about saying this: Every US intelligence agency that has looked into it has agreed that the Russians did it.
On what do they base their evidence?

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No agency of the US government has examined these computers. The only examination of the computers which has taken place, and the only investigation of the hacking allegation which has been carried out, has been the work of a private company – CrowdStrike – whose opinions the relevant US government agencies have simply accepted as true.

...

In this case what is even more troubling is that the DNC and John Podesta apparently specifically denied the relevant US investigative agency – the FBI – access to their computers.
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Do you know exactly which agencies have looked into it?

The talking about about "all 17 agencies" was put out there and stayed out there until someone finally checked into it.

What do I think? Russia probably did it. Wouldn't surprise me. Did they collude with Team Trump? No evidence at all to support that. None.

Do you find it troubling that the DNC wouldn't let the FBI look at their hacked server? I mean, don't you find that interesting at least a little?



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... Hell, even in the last few days the standard line of "all 17 intelligence agencies assess Russia interfered with our election" has been accepted as fact without question. Until now... Apparently, only 4 of the 17 have made that assessment. The NY Times and AP had to retract. ...
How about saying this: Every US intelligence agency that has looked into it has agreed that the Russians did it.
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You are an unhinged lunatic. You need to be on meds.

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baseless claims?
because you said so?

the article you linked to says there is no evidence for many of the 12 listed claims.

like Hillarys email scandal
or Benghazi
or indict Hillary

that didnt stop your nutjob dumbass from being all over them
member?

also telling is the article refutes each successive claim by taking
its previous opinion as an actual fact.

which is another habit of you nutjobs:
you make up your own facts

which you then use to prove whatever dumbass claim you wanna make.
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because you said so?

another habit of you nutjobs:
you make up your own facts
you make it easy & thats a fact
do you want your mommy, pussy?
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Why does it trigger you so much?
You're making them face reality.
This is rather confrontational for them.
It's easier to believe what the Media tells them to think rather than to objectively examine the facts.

Consider - the whole Russian thing hangs on the opinion of a private company owner by a Hillary supporter.

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"The Duran"? What's next, their thoughts on whether the girl named Rio did in fact shine and show you everything she can?

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Sounds like a totally legit source.
Stud and company have never cited a reputable source.
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I've never heard of The Duran either. But, can you cite where they are wrong?

Is CNN lying when it says it is all "bullshit"? When Van Jones says it is a "nothing burger"?

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"The Duran"? What's next, their thoughts on whether the girl named Rio did in fact shine and show you everything she can?

Sounds like a totally legit source.
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Has this been posted yet? Because if it hasn't, it probably should.
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In the heat of your father’s presidential campaign, a bozo British publicist emails you to set up a sit-down with a “Russian government attorney” promising “documents and information” to “incriminate Hillary”courtesy of the “Crown prosecutor of Russia” as “part of” the Russian government’s “support” for Dad — and you eagerly take the meeting.

“If it’s what you say I love it,” wrote Junior. As if the government of former KGB spymaster Vladimir Putin would do anything so clumsy. (Our former colleague Kyle Smith put it nicely: “Don Jr. is why Nigerian email scammers keep trying their luck.”)...

Democrats and the media are frothing to find something criminal in it all, with the most unhinged talking treason. What it clearly was was criminally stupid.
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Nice try, but another Ashson FAIL. The media didn't suddenly declare her innocent and lose all interest, it went on for months. And the RWNJs are still dragging it out trying to excuse the Trumpsters actions. Just like you did here.
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heard an interesting opinion on this today. And it is that liberals have finally won. The constant badgering has drawn all attention away. What was on the news all day today, Russia scandal. Nothing about health care, nothing about immigration, nothing about the wall, nothing about trade deals, nothing about north korea, ect, ect. Liberals have drawn all attention away from everyone doing their actual job including trump. It is a time waster. They will burn up as much time as possible so when it comes time they can go look trump didn't get anything done. No one will remember that the liberals were the cause of nothing getting done. So if both sides continue on with idiocy the American people will suffer. So time to snap out of it and tell the liberals to piss off. When you got proof come back in the mean time allow Washington to focus on what they are actually supposed to be doing.
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