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Old 06-27-2017, 06:14 AM   #1
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After deal with a new mess of problems, I too some time to relax and found this video. My question is what happened, I have never seen a flight or aircraft like this, today's as many seats a possible cattle car flight, crap food (if there is food), etc. So to all the business types here why have things, with all the tech we have developed, gotten worse?

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Same thing that happened to the car. Flying was for the rich and the elite, and way out range for the common person to afford. In order to make it affordable for everyone we now have what we have.
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Several things:

First off the same things were said about the 747 when it first appeared, but soon it was just as many seats as could be fitted. Considering all the problems with the A380, I do not see it being any different.

As per "air travel was only for the rich" when I was nine, so 1978, my Family took a flight from Detroit to Fl. I remember the trip being far better, AKA more like this video, then the last airplane trip I took, so I don't think it just "because the rich" argument. I see the greed aspect being far more likely.

Finally another story, in 1997 I attended a convention in WI, called Gencon. I had attended it three of the previous four years. But this year a number of things happened, I registered for the con on the first day possible, and when I got my form for the housing system (there was a system to apply for a hotel room) I faxed by form in less then 24 Hours after getting them! That was in March. August First, one week before the con, I had still not gotten anything back from the con about housing, so I called them and was told they had been sent so it must have been lost in the mail and that I was registered for the Embassy Suits. As I found out later that the Embassy was on the 10 minutes away list, was 15 miles down the expressway. This was also a summer of construction, both the on ram to go to the con and the off ramp to get to the hotel were closed the afternoon of the first day of the con. I now took about 1.5 hours to get between the hotel and con.

Talking to people at the con, I found out that people who sent (mail not fax) there housing forms over a month later and were in hotels that were on the list I had chosen! I asked about this at the information desk about this and the constructions issues, I was told "You are lucky you are allow to go to our convention!!!" The con was now owed by Wizards of the Coast (have bought TSR earlier that year), and WotC had bought a company called Andcon, who ran Andcon and Origins conventions, so they were also running Gencon that year. Andcon had a booth in the deals hall and So I asked there, and my name was taken and I was told that I could be contacted before the con was over about these problems. I AM STILL WAITING TO BE CONTACTED!!!

The person in charge of the con was a friend of a friend, and that friend worked for the AV company supplying the con that year. According to him, he talked with the person in Charge and was told "well your friend got screwed, too bad for him", or something to that effect!

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Flew on Emirates A380 from London to Dubai. A pleasant experience, indeed.
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Flew on Emirates A380 from London to Dubai. A pleasant experience, indeed.

I though you did not like Socialism? After all the R&D work for the development of the A380 was entirely paid for by the EU governments!!! As it is with all Airbus aircraft, giving them a massive advantage in the global market place.
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Well, I showed up at the airport in London for my flight to Dubai and after getting ticketed noticed people peering out the window at the plane and taking pictures. I finally went to see what the big deal was and noticed it was a A380.

I appreciate your fight against socialism. I'm sure you would have demanded a refund and taken another flight and refused to fly on it.

Me? I pick and choose my battles.

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Flew on Emirates A380 from London to Dubai. A pleasant experience, indeed.

I though you did not like Socialism? After all the R&D work for the development of the A380 was entirely paid for by the EU governments!!! As it is with all Airbus aircraft, giving them a massive advantage in the global market place.
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So you are only against socialism, when it convent for you and not your taxes. Noted.

and https://www.thestreet.com/story/1116...rbus-a380.html it rather easy to avoid them.

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Well, I showed up at the airport in London for my flight to Dubai and after getting ticketed noticed people peering out the window at the plane and taking pictures. I finally went to see what the big deal was and noticed it was a A380.

I appreciate your fight against socialism. I'm sure you would have demanded a refund and taken another flight and refused to fly on it.

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I though you did not like Socialism? After all the R&D work for the development of the A380 was entirely paid for by the EU governments!!! As it is with all Airbus aircraft, giving them a massive advantage in the global market place.
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Several things:

First off the same things were said about the 747 when it first appeared, but soon it was just as many seats as could be fitted. Considering all the problems with the A380, I do not see it being any different.

As per "air travel was only for the rich" when I was nine, so 1978, my Family took a flight from Detroit to Fl. I remember the trip being far better, AKA more like this video, then the last airplane trip I took, so I don't think it just "because the rich" argument. I see the greed aspect being far more likely.

Finally another story, in 1997 I attended a convention in WI, called Gencon. I had attended it three of the previous four years. But this year a number of things happened, I registered for the con on the first day possible, and when I got my form for the housing system (there was a system to apply for a hotel room) I faxed by form in less then 24 Hours after getting them! That was in March. August First, one week before the con, I had still not gotten anything back from the con about housing, so I called them and was told they had been sent so it must have been lost in the mail and that I was registered for the Embassy Suits. As I found out later that the Embassy was on the 10 minutes away list, was 15 miles down the expressway. This was also a summer of construction, both the on ram to go to the con and the off ramp to get to the hotel were closed the afternoon of the first day of the con. I now took about 1.5 hours to get between the hotel and con.

Talking to people at the con, I found out that people who sent (mail not fax) there housing forms over a month later and were in hotels that were on the list I had chosen! I asked about this at the information desk about this and the constructions issues, I was told "You are lucky you are allow to go to our convention!!!" The con was now owed by Wizards of the Coast (have bought TSR earlier that year), and WotC had bought a company called Andcon, who ran Andcon and Origins conventions, so they were also running Gencon that year. Andcon had a booth in the deals hall and So I asked there, and my name was taken and I was told that I could be contacted before the con was over about these problems. I AM STILL WAITING TO BE CONTACTED!!!

The person in charge of the con was a friend of a friend, and that friend worked for the AV company supplying the con that year. According to him, he talked with the person in Charge and was told "well your friend got screwed, too bad for him", or something to that effect!

Ten years later, I am going a podcaster in the hobby related to the con. I intervied the person who was in charge of the con in 1998 and was part of the staff in 1997. Off the mic we talked about what happened in 1997 and I finally got the entire story. According to him, 40 housing registration forms were misplaced and never processed, these people were never put into the system. They were only found two weeks before the con, and the only open hotel was the Embassy, so we were stuck there. My issue is, Someone screwed up, but the people on those 40 forms are the ones who paid for there mistake! Why? Why is business how of the attitude, we were make a mistake but since we can get away with it, too bad for those people the solution! What happen to taking responsibly? Hell even an apology would have been better then "well those people got screw" or is an apology way beyond the great powers at WotC, and now Gerncon, LLC. to give?

Holy shit dude, no one cares.

Because I stopped reading that after the second paragraph, I'm just going to answer the OP.

Airline travel sucks now because of deregulation allowing the "free market" to decide what a flight should cost, where it should go, and what airline can carry you. Adjusted for inflation, airline tickets are a steal compared to the pre-deregulation, so I really don't care what your snotty 9 year old self thought because you didn't see the bill.

(Fun fact: the average commercial flight is actually slower than it was 60 years ago because the average consumer effectively wants to have more flight options, ie more seats, instead of a faster flight)

Honestly, as annoying as air travel can be, it's more accessible than it's ever been. I'm a fan of that.
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Do you travel a lot internationally?

Because its not that easy to avoid them if you do.

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and https://www.thestreet.com/story/1116...rbus-a380.html it rather easy to avoid them.

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Well, I showed up at the airport in London for my flight to Dubai and after getting ticketed noticed people peering out the window at the plane and taking pictures. I finally went to see what the big deal was and noticed it was a A380.

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Several things:

First off the same things were said about the 747 when it first appeared, but soon it was just as many seats as could be fitted. Considering all the problems with the A380, I do not see it being any different.

As per "air travel was only for the rich" when I was nine, so 1978, my Family took a flight from Detroit to Fl. I remember the trip being far better, AKA more like this video, then the last airplane trip I took, so I don't think it just "because the rich" argument. I see the greed aspect being far more likely.

Finally another story, in 1997 I attended a convention in WI, called Gencon. I had attended it three of the previous four years. But this year a number of things happened, I registered for the con on the first day possible, and when I got my form for the housing system (there was a system to apply for a hotel room) I faxed by form in less then 24 Hours after getting them! That was in March. August First, one week before the con, I had still not gotten anything back from the con about housing, so I called them and was told they had been sent so it must have been lost in the mail and that I was registered for the Embassy Suits. As I found out later that the Embassy was on the 10 minutes away list, was 15 miles down the expressway. This was also a summer of construction, both the on ram to go to the con and the off ramp to get to the hotel were closed the afternoon of the first day of the con. I now took about 1.5 hours to get between the hotel and con.

Talking to people at the con, I found out that people who sent (mail not fax) there housing forms over a month later and were in hotels that were on the list I had chosen! I asked about this at the information desk about this and the constructions issues, I was told "You are lucky you are allow to go to our convention!!!" The con was now owed by Wizards of the Coast (have bought TSR earlier that year), and WotC had bought a company called Andcon, who ran Andcon and Origins conventions, so they were also running Gencon that year. Andcon had a booth in the deals hall and So I asked there, and my name was taken and I was told that I could be contacted before the con was over about these problems. I AM STILL WAITING TO BE CONTACTED!!!

The person in charge of the con was a friend of a friend, and that friend worked for the AV company supplying the con that year. According to him, he talked with the person in Charge and was told "well your friend got screwed, too bad for him", or something to that effect!

Ten years later, I am going a podcaster in the hobby related to the con. I intervied the person who was in charge of the con in 1998 and was part of the staff in 1997. Off the mic we talked about what happened in 1997 and I finally got the entire story. According to him, 40 housing registration forms were misplaced and never processed, these people were never put into the system. They were only found two weeks before the con, and the only open hotel was the Embassy, so we were stuck there. My issue is, Someone screwed up, but the people on those 40 forms are the ones who paid for there mistake! Why? Why is business how of the attitude, we were make a mistake but since we can get away with it, too bad for those people the solution! What happen to taking responsibly? Hell even an apology would have been better then "well those people got screw" or is an apology way beyond the great powers at WotC, and now Gerncon, LLC. to give?


No apology may be required. Often when it comes to business the people that you are dealing with are not the ones making the mistakes. It is another hired company that has made the mistake. So the company busting its ass and still finding you a place to stay may mean you owe them a thank you. Its real easy to point fingers at the person standing in front of you, but at least be aware there is a lot more to the interworkings than people see. So be sure you know what your talking about or you may be bashing the very people that managed to save the trip for you.
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No apology may be required. Often when it comes to business the people that you are dealing with are not the ones making the mistakes. It is another hired company that has made the mistake. So the company busting its ass and still finding you a place to stay may mean you owe them a thank you. Its real easy to point fingers at the person standing in front of you, but at least be aware there is a lot more to the interworkings than people see. So be sure you know what your talking about or you may be bashing the very people that managed to save the trip for you.

So people failed to do there job correctly and I though thank them for it.
There solution was to put my in a hotel listed at being 10 minutes away, but was actually 15 miles down the express way and I should think then for it.
I was told by there first customer serves person that I should be thankful I was allow to do to there convention, as a paying customer, and I should take then for it.
I am lied to by a second customer service person, and I should thank them for it.
That hotel, that is only 10 minutes away, not take 1.5 hours to get between it and the con, and I should thank them for it.
Being told that what I experienced could not have happened, BY THE PERSON IN CHARGE, and I should thank them for it.
They "busted there ass" by putting the 40 people effect it a hotel that was virtually empty, so yes that really worked hard to do that, and I should thank them for it.
No owning up to a mistake that really effect by rather expensive trip, and I should thank them for it.

What have we learned from this, that American business expect to get all the money, provide little in the way of service, to the minimum possible, never talk responsible for there mistakes, and expect you to be grateful for doing this to you! So you are saying we have gone from "the customer is always right" to "the customer do longer matters"!
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No apology may be required. Often when it comes to business the people that you are dealing with are not the ones making the mistakes. It is another hired company that has made the mistake. So the company busting its ass and still finding you a place to stay may mean you owe them a thank you. Its real easy to point fingers at the person standing in front of you, but at least be aware there is a lot more to the interworkings than people see. So be sure you know what your talking about or you may be bashing the very people that managed to save the trip for you.

So people failed to do there job correctly and I though thank them for it.
There solution was to put my in a hotel listed at being 10 minutes away, but was actually 15 miles down the express way and I should think then for it.
I was told by there first customer serves person that I should be thankful I was allow to do to there convention, as a paying customer, and I should take then for it.
I am lied to by a second customer service person, and I should thank them for it.
That hotel, that is only 10 minutes away, not take 1.5 hours to get between it and the con, and I should thank them for it.
Being told that what I experienced could not have happened, BY THE PERSON IN CHARGE, and I should thank them for it.
They "busted there ass" by putting the 40 people effect it a hotel that was virtually empty, so yes that really worked hard to do that, and I should thank them for it.
No owning up to a mistake that really effect by rather expensive trip, and I should thank them for it.

What have we learned from this, that American business expect to get all the money, provide little in the way of service, to the minimum possible, never talk responsible for there mistakes, and expect you to be grateful for doing this to you! So you are saying we have gone from "the customer is always right" to "the customer do longer matters"!

You didn't read what I wrote. The people you dealt with may have nothing to do with the people that screwed things up. The people you dealt with may have only seen your dilemma and knew nothing of the mistake. They fixed your dilemma, so as they see it you should be thanking them as they fixed your problem.

As for the statement the customer is always right, while it is a great statement it has never been true. Customers don't understand the inner workings, they have no clue. The company their dealing with may be bending over backwards for them, but their is only so much a company can do when it is someone elses fault. A pretty simple example is what I do. I install unknowingly a defective part, the customer comes back mad at me, I didn't make the part but their still made at me, then I have the chain to work back thru to make things right. I go back to my parts supplier, well they didn't make the part either, so then it goes to their wharehouse supplier, well they didn't the part either, then goes back to the distbuter well they didn't make the part either, then finally it makes it the people that made the part. Well by then I'm so far removed the manufacture of the part doesn't even know I exist, so they do nothing to help other than replace the bad part. In the mean time I replace the part for free at a cost to me. The customer is still mad at me even though I lost money on something that is out my control. So everyone is always glad to point fingers, but are you pointing fingers at the right person. Are you actually laying into the person that in reality is trying to help you. So if you don't know the complete inner working of what is going on behind the scenes you need to be careful of who your pointing fingers at for the blame.
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Flew on Emirates A380 from London to Dubai. A pleasant experience, indeed.
I fly to Europe quite frequently but never had been lucky to get a A380. Off course, my company designated carrier is chosen by Axiom (the American Express system) and they will always land me in either British or AirFrance.
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And changing the tickets!!!!! Damn - I would have paid 100 USD extra just to experience that.
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You didn't read what I wrote. The people you dealt with may have nothing to do with the people that screwed things up. The people you dealt with may have only seen your dilemma and knew nothing of the mistake. They fixed your dilemma, so as they see it you should be thanking them as they fixed your problem.

That is not what I was told by my contact, there might have been a division of the MECCA rather then WotC directly, but we are only talking one level of difference. And the "Fixed" THERE ERROR by putting me in to a much more expensive hotel, causing me to spend 16 hours community between the con and the hotel over four days. How as this a fix?

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As for the statement the customer is always right, while it is a great statement it has never been true. Customers don't understand the inner workings, they have no clue. The company their dealing with may be bending over backwards for them, but their is only so much a company can do when it is someone elses fault. A pretty simple example is what I do. I install unknowingly a defective part, the customer comes back mad at me, I didn't make the part but their still made at me, then I have the chain to work back thru to make things right. I go back to my parts supplier, well they didn't make the part either, so then it goes to their wharehouse supplier, well they didn't the part either, then goes back to the distbuter well they didn't make the part either, then finally it makes it the people that made the part. Well by then I'm so far removed the manufacture of the part doesn't even know I exist, so they do nothing to help other than replace the bad part. In the mean time I replace the part for free at a cost to me. The customer is still mad at me even though I lost money on something that is out my control. So everyone is always glad to point fingers, but are you pointing fingers at the right person. Are you actually laying into the person that in reality is trying to help you. So if you don't know the complete inner working of what is going on behind the scenes you need to be careful of who your pointing fingers at for the blame.

In the situation you have states above, did you, the installed rather then get the customer a new part, lie to them, cover of the issue, tell them you were lucky you responded to there problems at all, make them pay extra to get the defect part replaced, and then refused to do anything about the problem. Because that is what happened to me.
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