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Old Yesterday, 11:09 PM   #41
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Not really accurate. At no time did the right tell people to be mooches of the system,snowflakes, and whater ever other negative connotations that come with the people you named. Republicans don't really push those agendas. They would more accurately defend the things you are complaining about.

I am not sure you are missing the point on willingly or accidentally, but you are totally missing my point. Sanders is only relevant in today political system because of the actions of American business, and AOC is riding that same wave. The Entire "justice Democrats" exits because of the actions of American business leaders, regardless of which party they belong to (and most are Democrats).


I'm not missing the point at all. At one time if you wanted benefits you went and found a government job, because the private sector didn't offer them. As time progressed and a business did well they started offering benefits. Then if a business starts to do bad and those benefits are pulled or reduced people throw a fit like they were entitled to those benefits. Unless you have a contract stating you are entitled to those benefits you are not entitled to them. So the whole look at what American business are doing, is just a cop out. People like you thinking a company owes you free shit are what created AOC and sanders. In no way is the company required to take care of you, they are not a social program. So you are the one opening the door for the likes of sanders and aoc.
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Actually, MLK was not a Republican. And yeah, actually, Democrats being late to the equality party is kinda my point. A shitload of black politicians got elected as Radical Republicans back when they were the party of Emancipation and Reconstruction, but now Democrats are the party of Civil Rights and electing a black POTUS.

Really the Dems are for Civil Rights? Really? Then were are mine, when they felt it was perfectly OK to take my hope and Dreams in order for them to Feel better about their racists past? And since you are a supporter of such, why aren't you will to make the sacrifice that was forced upon me?
Equal Employment Opportunity Commission prohibits discrimination in the workplace, including against white people on the basis of their race. Take your case to them.

Also- You're seriously arguing that "The Party of the Klan" isn't doing enough to support white people, or even supports black people above whites, and you still think the parties haven't changed over the years?
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I am not sure you are missing the point on willingly or accidentally, but you are totally missing my point. Sanders is only relevant in today political system because of the actions of American business, and AOC is riding that same wave. The Entire "justice Democrats" exits because of the actions of American business leaders, regardless of which party they belong to (and most are Democrats).


I'm not missing the point at all. At one time if you wanted benefits you went and found a government job, because the private sector didn't offer them. As time progressed and a business did well they started offering benefits. Then if a business starts to do bad and those benefits are pulled or reduced people throw a fit like they were entitled to those benefits. Unless you have a contract stating you are entitled to those benefits you are not entitled to them. So the whole look at what American business are doing, is just a cop out. People like you thinking a company owes you free shit are what created AOC and sanders. In no way is the company required to take care of you, they are not a social program. So you are the one opening the door for the likes of sanders and aoc.

All we have learned here is that you and Darthbob are the same. You both belief in two sets of rules, the ones that effect you and the ones that you want to force upon others. You are perfectly all right with hurting other to get what you want. Your use of the word "muchers" to describe employees show such.

Also from a Moral point of view I do not see the difference between a listing of benefits in a employ handbook (and a employ had to sign for and state they have read and understand), and a contract to a member of the upper management. In fact I don't like unions, but for the same reason I don't like employment contacts. Both allow a unqualified individuals to do damage to a company with our repercussions. And as such I actually have more issues with CxO contracts that give them a set for life deal before they even work one day. What happen to the idea of merit when it came to going a job? Isn't how it is suppose to work in a capitalist system?

And was Disney in any danger of going out of business when they fired 5000 Americans, but forced them to train there foreign hire replacement and made them sign a paper gagging them from going to the press about it? Where was the morality in their actions? IF what they did was so OK, why the gag order? And when they were caught why the lie about "freeing up labor for leadership positions"" Which by the way so far Disney has created ZERO such positions for these people.

The truth is what you have states above is not to dissimilar then why the founders fought the Revolution in the fist place. I am sure you are going to create some more liberal style spin on this, but that is the truth. And as was the point of this thread to start with we are edging closer and closer to a spark to start another revolution or civil war. Will a CONTRACT stop a bullet?
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Really the Dems are for Civil Rights? Really? Then were are mine, when they felt it was perfectly OK to take my hope and Dreams in order for them to Feel better about their racists past? And since you are a supporter of such, why aren't you will to make the sacrifice that was forced upon me?
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Also- You're seriously arguing that "The Party of the Klan" isn't doing enough to support white people, or even supports black people above whites, and you still think the parties haven't changed over the years?

The Democratic party that found the Klan would also run Black man for president and would throw whites under the bus! Why, because the Democratic party, since it founding, it about gaining power for its leadership, not to care about any one, other then that leadership and doing what every is necessary to accomplish that goal.
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Equal Employment Opportunity Commission prohibits discrimination in the workplace, including against white people on the basis of their race. Take your case to them.

Also- You're seriously arguing that "The Party of the Klan" isn't doing enough to support white people, or even supports black people above whites, and you still think the parties haven't changed over the years?

The Democratic party that found the Klan would also run Black man for president and would throw whites under the bus! Why, because the Democratic party, since it founding, it about gaining power for its leadership, not to care about any one, other then that leadership and doing what every is necessary to accomplish that goal.
Including, apparently, significantly changing its political ideology from white supremacy to rights for minorities. You know, the exact change I've been arguing.
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I'm not missing the point at all. At one time if you wanted benefits you went and found a government job, because the private sector didn't offer them. As time progressed and a business did well they started offering benefits. Then if a business starts to do bad and those benefits are pulled or reduced people throw a fit like they were entitled to those benefits. Unless you have a contract stating you are entitled to those benefits you are not entitled to them. So the whole look at what American business are doing, is just a cop out. People like you thinking a company owes you free shit are what created AOC and sanders. In no way is the company required to take care of you, they are not a social program. So you are the one opening the door for the likes of sanders and aoc.

All we have learned here is that you and Darthbob are the same. You both belief in two sets of rules, the ones that effect you and the ones that you want to force upon others. You are perfectly all right with hurting other to get what you want. Your use of the word "muchers" to describe employees show such.

Also from a Moral point of view I do not see the difference between a listing of benefits in a employ handbook (and a employ had to sign for and state they have read and understand), and a contract to a member of the upper management. In fact I don't like unions, but for the same reason I don't like employment contacts. Both allow a unqualified individuals to do damage to a company with our repercussions. And as such I actually have more issues with CxO contracts that give them a set for life deal before they even work one day. What happen to the idea of merit when it came to going a job? Isn't how it is suppose to work in a capitalist system?

And was Disney in any danger of going out of business when they fired 5000 Americans, but forced them to train there foreign hire replacement and made them sign a paper gagging them from going to the press about it? Where was the morality in their actions? IF what they did was so OK, why the gag order? And when they were caught why the lie about "freeing up labor for leadership positions"" Which by the way so far Disney has created ZERO such positions for these people.

The truth is what you have states above is not to dissimilar then why the founders fought the Revolution in the fist place. I am sure you are going to create some more liberal style spin on this, but that is the truth. And as was the point of this thread to start with we are edging closer and closer to a spark to start another revolution or civil war. Will a CONTRACT stop a bullet?


Where did ever state there was two sets of rules. I stated reality. Your the one that wants to have two different set of rules for people. Ones that have a contract and get that is exactly what is stated in their contract. And those that should get everything with no legal obligation. Your the only one that seems to think that the lower employees should get a different set of rules.


If you don't see the difference in a contract and a benefit then there really isn't much more to discuss here. I mean seriously if you think a employee who is not legally bound to a company should get everything that a person who is legal bound to fulfill their contractual agreement your off your rocker.

Also why would you have any a problem with CXO getting a good deal in their contract. They went to school, they got their experience in, they worked their way up, to get to that position. Where as an employee has not taken that route so why should they get the same benefits.


As far as Disney goes they switched to contracted labor. Pretty common practice in business. If a contractor can do it cheaper than you can do it in house, why would you keep throwing money away. You seem to forget a business is there to make money, it is not there to be a welfare system for people. And whether you think it is right or wrong that is one business out of how many millions of business in this country. You seem to think a few bad eggs is how the rest of the world works.



This last part I'm not even sure how to respond to simply because you said I would put a liberal spin on it. When it is actually you that is calling for liberal views in business. You want business to be required to give their employees social programs. That's not how capitalism works. Also last I checked the revolution was basically over government interference, which is what your calling for. You want CXo to be cut down, You want the lower employees to get the same as the higher up employees, You want a company to keep on employees, instead of using a cheaper method. You are calling for socialism in the business world, and don't even realize it.



Also just a little side note here. You say you don't like unions because they can destroy a company, but yet what you are suggesting companies should do is exactly what unions fight for. So your thought process is a company should just destroy itself, because you think its unfair certain employees don't get perks. Your no different than the unions you hate.

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The Democratic party that found the Klan would also run Black man for president and would throw whites under the bus! Why, because the Democratic party, since it founding, it about gaining power for its leadership, not to care about any one, other then that leadership and doing what every is necessary to accomplish that goal.
Including, apparently, significantly changing its political ideology from white supremacy to rights for minorities. You know, the exact change I've been arguing.

I see your parasite is still working perfectly. What color does it make the sky look to you? But only those Minorities that are still willing to live on the DNC plantation. So in truth they have not changed.
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Watch how Dems treat blacks that dare to wander off from or escape from the new plantation. They attack them without mercy.

Dems are hypocrites. They are behind the #metoo movement. But, we can see in Virginia that a black LT Gov is still in office with hardly an outcry - even though he's been accused of sexual assault.

They made up charges about a candidate for the SCOTUS. I said "made up" because no evidence existed except in one woman's mind. A woman who could not recall even when or where the alleged assault took place! None of her friends could corroborate ANY of it. Yet, he was GUILTY and she WAS TO BE BELIEVED!

VA LT GOV? Nope. Move along. Nothing to see here. Same with the actual GOV of VA. Dressed in racist costume, called himself "Coon". I mean, you can't get more racist than that, right? Still in office.

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Including, apparently, significantly changing its political ideology from white supremacy to rights for minorities. You know, the exact change I've been arguing.

I see your parasite is still working perfectly. What color does it make the sky look to you? But only those Minorities that are still willing to live on the DNC plantation. So in truth they have not changed.
To some extent yes, because that's just how constituencies work, but nope, civil rights and protections extend even to conservative minorities.
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