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Old 07-03-2017, 11:43 AM   #1
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I think you are thinking of Bill Clinton. You know, poking an intern in the pussy with a cigar and otherwise getting halfway blown in the oval orifice. Then saying that BJs aren't sex.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure you're thinking of Bill Clinton.

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I think you are thinking of Bill Clinton. You know, poking an intern in the pussy with a cigar and otherwise getting halfway blown in the oval orifice. Then saying that BJs aren't sex.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure you're thinking of Bill Clinton.

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Old 07-05-2017, 03:07 PM   #5
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The real story is CNN and their thuggish behavior tracking down the poor kid that made this GIF.

They are essentially blackmailing this internet prankster. CNN is literally doing things it accuses Trump of doing.

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Yeah, that 40 year old really should be protected... From the racist shit he already said... Because, reasons.
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You don't know he's 40 anymore than eric trump knows he's 15.

Either way, CNN going after someone making a meme? For real? You're gonna defend that shit?

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You don't know he's 40 anymore than eric trump knows he's 15.

Either way, CNN going after someone making a meme? For real? You're gonna defend that shit?

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Yeah, that 40 year old really should be protected... From the racist shit he already said... Because, reasons.

"Going after him"? He posted a bunch of racist shit, and now that there's a chance that his name might be attached to it, now he's triggered? Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. Like a typical Trump supporter.
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So, CNN's job now is to police up internet trolls who post racist stuff?

It wasn't the racist stuff that caught CNN's ire. It was the GIF he made showing Trump body slamming them. It was funny in a juvenile way. They got butt hurt by it and went hunting for the guy. And, essentially threaten to "out" him.

You're ok with that?

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Either way, CNN going after someone making a meme? For real? You're gonna defend that shit?


"Going after him"? He posted a bunch of racist shit, and now that there's a chance that his name might be attached to it, now he's triggered? Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. Like a typical Trump supporter.
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So, CNN's job now is to police up internet trolls who post racist stuff?

It wasn't the racist stuff that caught CNN's ire. It was the GIF he made showing Trump body slamming them. It was funny in a juvenile way. They got butt hurt by it and went hunting for the guy. And, essentially threaten to "out" him.

You're ok with that?
But this isn't Congress inhibiting someone's free speech.
This is a private organisation using their muscle to shut up someone who offended them. That makes it OK.
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But this isn't Congress inhibiting someone's free speech.
This is a private organisation using their muscle to shut up someone who offended them. That makes it OK.

There are way too many people in the world who readily defend the principle of free speech, only so long as you agree with them, then they cite the First Amendment: "But you're only protected against the GOVERNMENT censoring you!"

If you don't defend the principle of free speech, you don't believe in free speech.
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I wouldn't really care if they weren't such hypocrites. But, they are. So there's that...

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So, CNN's job now is to police up internet trolls who post racist stuff?

It wasn't the racist stuff that caught CNN's ire. It was the GIF he made showing Trump body slamming them. It was funny in a juvenile way. They got butt hurt by it and went hunting for the guy. And, essentially threaten to "out" him.

You're ok with that?
But this isn't Congress inhibiting someone's free speech.
This is a private organisation using their muscle to shut up someone who offended them. That makes it OK.
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I wouldn't really care if they weren't such hypocrites. But, they are. So there's that...

And they label anyone who doesn't believe lock step the same as them all kinds of vile crap, while saying that you're engaging in "hate speech" and then use that as justification for violence because "hate speech isn't protected by the Constitution...." Ugh....

Worse still... They try to label their violence as "speech", and the speech of their detractors as "violence".
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So, CNN's job now is to police up internet trolls who post racist stuff?

It wasn't the racist stuff that caught CNN's ire. It was the GIF he made showing Trump body slamming them. It was funny in a juvenile way. They got butt hurt by it and went hunting for the guy. And, essentially threaten to "out" him.

You're ok with that?

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"Going after him"? He posted a bunch of racist shit, and now that there's a chance that his name might be attached to it, now he's triggered? Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. Like a typical Trump supporter.

It wasn't the gif that caught their attention. It's the fact that the president you support who totally is super mature retweeted it. That makes his stuff newsworthy.

And I'm sorry, but you're defending a guy's right to privacy that doesn't exist. He posted a lot of racist, anti-Semitic shit out there on publicly accessible sites. When his infamy rose and CNN found out who he was, they decided to withhold the information unless the story continues to develop. Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from consequence.

Let's be honest here: if this guy was a Democrat, you'd be making the same argument as me right now, you triggered lil hack. I however, would still be making the same points regardless of the bigot's political leanings.
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So, CNN's job now is to police up internet trolls who post racist stuff?

It wasn't the racist stuff that caught CNN's ire. It was the GIF he made showing Trump body slamming them. It was funny in a juvenile way. They got butt hurt by it and went hunting for the guy. And, essentially threaten to "out" him.

You're ok with that?
But this isn't Congress inhibiting someone's free speech.
This is a private organisation using their muscle to shut up someone who offended them. That makes it OK.

What muscle? He said a bunch of horrible shit because he thought he could get away with it in a RWNJ circlejerk not too different than this place. Now that he's been caught with his pants down, I'm supposed to feel sorry for him?

Troll better.
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And I'm sorry, but you're defending a guy's right to privacy that doesn't exist. He posted a lot of racist, anti-Semitic shit out there on publicly accessible sites. When his infamy rose and CNN found out who he was, they decided to withhold the information unless the story continues to develop. Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from consequence.

Judy Mays is the pen name for Judy Buranich. She writes and publishes erotic fiction under that pen name, while her job is a high school English teacher. Back in 2011 her real identity was discovered. Once discovered, local parents decided to take up the matter with the school, threatening her job and livelihood because of what she did on the side.

Free speech doesn't mean freedom from consequences. But generally the people who say that don't actually support free speech. Because generally when that is said, the consequences that someone has suffered or may suffer for their speech are far from reasonable.

Would it be reasonable for Judy Mays to lose her real-life job as a teacher due to what she does on the side? I say no. Especially since there was NO indication that it was affecting her day-to-day. Yet she was threatened with that consequence.

With the guy who made the CNN gif, he eluded to his identity on Reddit, but didn't otherwise state openly who he was. Meaning tracking down his identity was rather involved. And there's reason to believe Reddit moderators aided in that reporter's attempt to track down who HanAssoleSolo actually was, meaning his privacy was legitimately violated as it is a direct violation of Reddit's privacy policy.

Beyond that, is doxxing a legitimate action to take in response to someone's speech? NO! And if you believe otherwise, or condition that statement on the speech in question, then you do not support free speech. Period. Sounds like you would've been all for outing the three men behind the pen name "Publius", the ones who wrote the Federalist Papers.

The chilling effect from this isn't "don't post racist and sexist stuff to Reddit or elsewhere". CNN wasn't threatening to out him because of his alleged racist stuff. They were threatening to out him because he challenged them. The alleged racist posts were just icing on the cake. They didn't need any of that. Once they had his identity, they could've outed him and he would've been pummeled with all kinds of crap that likely would've forced him from his home and city of residence, and likely would've gotten him fired from his job.

And by saying "freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from consequences", you're implicitly supporting that outcome.

It's that very idea that led to one well-uninformed idiot to try to create a website called "Social Autopsy". The explicit purpose of that site was to link real identities to perceived-hateful posts online. The idea of the site was torn apart by both Zoe Quinn and Randi Lee Harper, among many others. While I don't support either of them, both of them highlighted the legitimate problems with the concept, not just the implementation. Randi Harper penned an open letter on Medium about it.

This is why every time something like this happens, the tendency is to attack the doxxer, not the doxxed. Because a lot of us take our online anonymity seriously. And some have paid dearly when that has been stolen from them. Not just lost anonymity, but lost livelihoods. And in a lot of cases, it's happened merely because someone didn't like what someone else said and not for posting something inherently hateful.
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But this isn't Congress inhibiting someone's free speech.
This is a private organisation using their muscle to shut up someone who offended them. That makes it OK.

What muscle? He said a bunch of horrible shit because he thought he could get away with it in a RWNJ circlejerk not too different than this place. Now that he's been caught with his pants down, I'm supposed to feel sorry for him?

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You should feel sorry for him. Freedom of speech is freedom of speech. Just because you think what he said is horrible doesn't mean shit. Just your statement of that shows your ignorance of the matter. You don't get to pick and choose what you like when it comes to free speech. So if your for free speech you should be just as offended, when ever someone from BLM speaks. But your not, so it shows your just full of shit, And calling people RWNJ is an excuse to explain away your hate and your want to limit free speech.
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Te whole exercise has nothing to do with the fact that the man might be a racist.
It was a case of him poking fun at a news corporation and they couldn't stand it. They used corporate muscle to shut him up, far too late as the video is out there. They over-reacted and the flack they're getting from the over-reaction is worse than the laughs that came from the original video.
It's not really a freedom of speech issue as that is peripheral to the whole deal.

It is a case of a big corporation using blatant coercion to threaten someone who they felt offended them.

What recourse does an individual have when menaced by a corporation?
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And I'm sorry, but you're defending a guy's right to privacy that doesn't exist. He posted a lot of racist, anti-Semitic shit out there on publicly accessible sites. When his infamy rose and CNN found out who he was, they decided to withhold the information unless the story continues to develop. Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from consequence.

Judy Mays is the pen name for Judy Buranich. She writes and publishes erotic fiction under that pen name, while her job is a high school English teacher. Back in 2011 her real identity was discovered. Once discovered, local parents decided to take up the matter with the school, threatening her job and livelihood because of what she did on the side.

Free speech doesn't mean freedom from consequences. But generally the people who say that don't actually support free speech. Because generally when that is said, the consequences that someone has suffered or may suffer for their speech are far from reasonable.

Would it be reasonable for Judy Mays to lose her real-life job as a teacher due to what she does on the side? I say no. Especially since there was NO indication that it was affecting her day-to-day. Yet she was threatened with that consequence.

With the guy who made the CNN gif, he eluded to his identity on Reddit, but didn't otherwise state openly who he was. Meaning tracking down his identity was rather involved. And there's reason to believe Reddit moderators aided in that reporter's attempt to track down who HanAssoleSolo actually was, meaning his privacy was legitimately violated as it is a direct violation of Reddit's privacy policy.

Beyond that, is doxxing a legitimate action to take in response to someone's speech? NO! And if you believe otherwise, or condition that statement on the speech in question, then you do not support free speech. Period. Sounds like you would've been all for outing the three men behind the pen name "Publius", the ones who wrote the Federalist Papers.

The chilling effect from this isn't "don't post racist and sexist stuff to Reddit or elsewhere". CNN wasn't threatening to out him because of his alleged racist stuff. They were threatening to out him because he challenged them. The alleged racist posts were just icing on the cake. They didn't need any of that. Once they had his identity, they could've outed him and he would've been pummeled with all kinds of crap that likely would've forced him from his home and city of residence, and likely would've gotten him fired from his job.

And by saying "freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from consequences", you're implicitly supporting that outcome.

It's that very idea that led to one well-uninformed idiot to try to create a website called "Social Autopsy". The explicit purpose of that site was to link real identities to perceived-hateful posts online. The idea of the site was torn apart by both Zoe Quinn and Randi Lee Harper, among many others. While I don't support either of them, both of them highlighted the legitimate problems with the concept, not just the implementation. Randi Harper penned an open letter on Medium about it.

This is why every time something like this happens, the tendency is to attack the doxxer, not the doxxed. Because a lot of us take our online anonymity seriously. And some have paid dearly when that has been stolen from them. Not just lost anonymity, but lost livelihoods. And in a lot of cases, it's happened merely because someone didn't like what someone else said and not for posting something inherently hateful.

Cool story bro.

None of what you described even remotely relates to the concept of free speech. But cool story bro.

You continuing to defend someone spewing racist anti-Semitic shit who suddenly comes to Jesus when it's even alluded to it being connected to him is a pretty fucked up way to describe free speech. I legitimately wasn't aware that shedding some daylight on something, effectively doing the opposite of suppressing or censoring speech, was in itself an attack on free speech (also, still kinda confused how a private institution can do that when the First Amendment is strictly referring to government, a point you acknowledged then promptly forgot). Then again, I'm not the twit joining in on the Trump apologia, so maybe I'll need to chew on a few lead paint chips before I can understand it.

And oh ffs, the comparison to the Federalist Papers? Are you fucking kidding me? The Federalist Papers weren't written anonymously because Hamilton and company were worried that people would know how they actually felt: they wrote it as a counter to the Anti-Federalist Papers, and Hamilton being the egotistical cocknozzle that he was, wanted a better pseudonym than Brutus and Cato. The other purpose was to have their arguments made on merit rather than celebrity/infamy. So unless I missed the article where John Jay went on about how much he hated Jews, it's an idiotic comparison and you should be ashamed of it.

The moral of the story is literally this simple: don't say stupid shit on the internet and expect it to be private, and especially don't say stupid shit on the internet that will get picked up by another stupid sack of shit who most of you here (though not the majority of votes in the nation) thought was competent enough to handle nuclear codes. This silly meme doesn't much rise above the insanity that is "The_Donald," it just happened to get amplified by him. You all thinking that the story is CNN was butthurt just shows how much of a little snowflake all of you "party of personal responsibility" whackjobs really are.

I have zero sympathy for someone who suffers the consequences of actually having to face repercussions of hateful, vile speech. That's the thing about freedom of speech; you take the good of being able to say everything you want, you also take the responsibility of being held accountable.
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What muscle? He said a bunch of horrible shit because he thought he could get away with it in a RWNJ circlejerk not too different than this place. Now that he's been caught with his pants down, I'm supposed to feel sorry for him?

Troll better.

You should feel sorry for him. Freedom of speech is freedom of speech. Just because you think what he said is horrible doesn't mean shit. Just your statement of that shows your ignorance of the matter. You don't get to pick and choose what you like when it comes to free speech. So if your for free speech you should be just as offended, when ever someone from BLM speaks. But your not, so it shows your just full of shit, And calling people RWNJ is an excuse to explain away your hate and your want to limit free speech.

Except nothing I said even remotely indicates that I want a limit on free speech. It would behoove you to actually take a minute and learn about concepts that you want to discuss (like, say, whether or not Alaska has public schools or state parks) before you decide to shit all over a topic with dart logic.
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