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Old 06-17-2017, 01:25 AM   #1
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Yeah, but, from everything I've heard about black people, they seem to be extremely comfortable with guns. How else could they be responsible for 99 and 44/100% of gun murders in this country?

(Also: I wanted them to say that. Nothing quite so funny as watching a racist try to explain a racist joke without stepping over the line into obviously unacceptable racism.)
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It is a shit ton funnier that someone who supports affirmative action and blm is calling anyone racist.
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(Also: I wanted them to say that. Nothing quite so funny as watching a racist try to explain a racist joke without stepping over the line into obviously unacceptable racism.)
It is a shit ton funnier that someone who supports affirmative action and blm is calling anyone racist.
I said obviously unacceptable racism. Affirmative Action and BLM are merely debatably unacceptable.
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I said obviously unacceptable racism. Affirmative Action and BLM are merely debatably unacceptable.

HAha what? we now have unacceptable racism, and debatable racism. That statement right there is such a joke, I can't believe even you said it. Holy shit a joke is now unacceptable racism, but black people hating white people that is just debatable. And you wonder what is wrong with the country.
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It is a shit ton funnier that someone who supports affirmative action and blm is calling anyone racist.
I said obviously unacceptable racism. Affirmative Action and BLM are merely debatably unacceptable.
There is nothing debatable about giving someone a job solely on the color of their skin, that is racism at its pinnacle. Then there is blm who chant "Kill White People" if that is debatably unacceptable in your opinion then that is just fucked and your brain is broken.
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What you don't understand is that in the liberal mind, black people cannot be racist. And, liberals cannot be racist, either. They also cannot be guilty of hate crimes.

When pushed, Darthbob88 will say, "I said it was acceptable racism". What in the fuck is that?

Racial matters today are a joke.
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I said obviously unacceptable racism. Affirmative Action and BLM are merely debatably unacceptable.

Costing someone the hope and dreams of their life, because the share a genetic ancestor with individuals to did bad things in the past, who are not the ancestors of the person in question, to reward a person who had never suffered any of the things, you are saying happened in the past, is only racism that is debatable unacceptable? Really?
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I said obviously unacceptable racism. Affirmative Action and BLM are merely debatably unacceptable.

Costing someone the hope and dreams of their life, because the share a genetic ancestor with individuals to did bad things in the past, who are not the ancestors of the person in question, to reward a person who had never suffered any of the things, you are saying happened in the past, is only racism that is debatable unacceptable? Really?
We are debating it, are we not? Whereas I haven't seen anybody stepping forward to defend "spearchuckers" as totally not racist.

There are two things that you're ignoring, depending on which justification for AA you prefer. If you think it's to make up for slavery/Jim Crow/all that shit that went away when Dr King told us about that dream he had, then inherited wealth/poverty means that yeah, actually, that kid is suffering for those injustices and white people are benefiting from them, to the tune of about $130K difference in household wealth. If you think it's to make up for American society being kinda shitty to black people in general and hesitating to hire them in particular, FUCKING LOL if you think that's over and done with.

E: Not to say that Affirmative Action is perfect, I have issues with the focus on race above socioeconomic status, but the issue is immensely more nuanced than you're prepared to acknowledge.
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Well, then there's the whole "if they had been left in Africa, where would they be now?" Argument. Right?

Yes, slavery was bad. An evil. It was wrong. But, lets stop pretending people TODAY are feeling the effects of it. If you say they are then you have to consider what their life would have been like if their ancestors were never brought to America. What would that look like?

Yeah, yeah, I know. What an evil though... But, its reality. Ever been to some of those countries in Africa? They are shit holes. Life expediencies 20 years shorter than that in the USA, etc. Their lives would have been much tougher in Africa. I'm talking about black people today. If they hadn't had ancestors come here as slaves, they'd likely have been born in Gambia, Congo or where ever. And, their lives would suck there compared to here.

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We are debating it, are we not? Whereas I haven't seen anybody stepping forward to defend "spearchuckers" as totally not racist.

There are two things that you're ignoring, depending on which justification for AA you prefer. If you think it's to make up for slavery/Jim Crow/all that shit that went away when Dr King told us about that dream he had, then inherited wealth/poverty means that yeah, actually, that kid is suffering for those injustices and white people are benefiting from them, to the tune of about $130K difference in household wealth. If you think it's to make up for American society being kinda shitty to black people in general and hesitating to hire them in particular, FUCKING LOL if you think that's over and done with.

E: Not to say that Affirmative Action is perfect, I have issues with the focus on race above socioeconomic status, but the issue is immensely more nuanced than you're prepared to acknowledge.
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Well, then there's the whole "if they had been left in Africa, where would they be now?" Argument. Right?

Yes, slavery was bad. An evil. It was wrong. But, lets stop pretending people TODAY are feeling the effects of it. If you say they are then you have to consider what their life would have been like if their ancestors were never brought to America. What would that look like?

Yeah, yeah, I know. What an evil though... But, its reality. Ever been to some of those countries in Africa? They are shit holes. Life expediencies 20 years shorter than that in the USA, etc. Their lives would have been much tougher in Africa. I'm talking about black people today. If they hadn't had ancestors come here as slaves, they'd likely have been born in Gambia, Congo or where ever. And, their lives would suck there compared to here.

Ever thought about that?
I suppose next you'll start arguing that slavery was a positive good for African-Americans. Nah, even if we accept that giving them Western Civilization is a net good, the government gives you Western Civilization in exchange for mere taxes, and you're still outraged at this oppressive theft of the fruits of your labors.

E: As long as we're considering counterfactuals, what would have happened if those millions of Africans had come to this country, and been treated as first-class citizens? How much better off would they be in that case?

E2: Plus, we don't even need slavery. Jim Crow fucked over black people's wealth accumulation for most of a century, and is itself enough justification for some sort of compensation.
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Well, then there's the whole "if they had been left in Africa, where would they be now?" Argument. Right?

Yes, slavery was bad. An evil. It was wrong. But, lets stop pretending people TODAY are feeling the effects of it. If you say they are then you have to consider what their life would have been like if their ancestors were never brought to America. What would that look like?

Yeah, yeah, I know. What an evil though... But, its reality. Ever been to some of those countries in Africa? They are shit holes. Life expediencies 20 years shorter than that in the USA, etc. Their lives would have been much tougher in Africa. I'm talking about black people today. If they hadn't had ancestors come here as slaves, they'd likely have been born in Gambia, Congo or where ever. And, their lives would suck there compared to here.

Ever thought about that?
I suppose next you'll start arguing that slavery was a positive good for African-Americans. Nah, even if we accept that giving them Western Civilization is a net good, the government gives you Western Civilization in exchange for mere taxes, and you're still outraged at this oppressive theft of the fruits of your labors.

E: As long as we're considering counterfactuals, what would have happened if those millions of Africans had come to this country, and been treated as first-class citizens? How much better off would they be in that case?

E2: Plus, we don't even need slavery. Jim Crow fucked over black people's wealth accumulation for most of a century, and is itself enough justification for some sort of compensation.


All I hear is whine piss and moan. How many white people are part irish, but you don't see special treatment for them. Or hey where is the preferential hiring for Chinese.

Or simply you are ok with marginalizing the hard lives white people have also lived. Not all whites had the picture perfect lives you seem to think they had.

It boils down to the fact you are trying to rationalize racism. That is sad, you are no better than the kkk. The kkk has some of the same basic argument you have, and the scary part is you don't even realize that.
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Costing someone the hope and dreams of their life, because the share a genetic ancestor with individuals to did bad things in the past, who are not the ancestors of the person in question, to reward a person who had never suffered any of the things, you are saying happened in the past, is only racism that is debatable unacceptable? Really?
We are debating it, are we not? Whereas I haven't seen anybody stepping forward to defend "spearchuckers" as totally not racist.

There are two things that you're ignoring, depending on which justification for AA you prefer. If you think it's to make up for slavery/Jim Crow/all that shit that went away when Dr King told us about that dream he had, then inherited wealth/poverty means that yeah, actually, that kid is suffering for those injustices and white people are benefiting from them, to the tune of about $130K difference in household wealth. If you think it's to make up for American society being kinda shitty to black people in general and hesitating to hire them in particular, FUCKING LOL if you think that's over and done with.

E: Not to say that Affirmative Action is perfect, I have issues with the focus on race above socioeconomic status, but the issue is immensely more nuanced than you're prepared to acknowledge.

And for those of European decent, so ancestor came to the U.S. well after the Civil war, never were involved in politics, never even told a racists joke, but have had to suffer just for the color of their skin, it is "Fair" to them as well?

What about the other way? If a person of a racial minority commits a crime, with have proof of their race and gender (security cam), but cannot find the individual in question, do we just put a random member of the same race on trial for the crime, and then in prison? Because that is what I see Affirmative Action as being like, punishing people for crimes someone like they committed sometime in the pass, that they are not responsible for.

On the other hand, if the liberals are all for Affirmative Action why are you not calling for Ben Aflick to be dropped from the Justice League and other movies? It has been confirmed that he is descended from a slave owner!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jveMFIBuRkg

Now about the second part, well why has there been outcry for Hollywood and Pro-Sport to lower there salary requirements? Because as a comparison, for amount of work done vs. salary paid they are best compensated in the U.S. So if you want to complain about income and wealth inequality, start with the one who make the most before punished others!!!

Additionally, I am of Italian descend and have an Italian last name. For a large part of U.S. history, it was not uncommon (in fact rather common) if you saw a help wanted sign in New York it would have on it: Irish and/or Italians need not apply!!! So should we also get a special box on the Affirmative Action forms, for the racism committed against us? What about the decedents of White slaves used in the U.S.? Yes they existed, but history does little to remember them (just like the Germans and Italians but into the camp in Crystal City Texas during WWII).

Also Jim Crow, Segregation, KKK, and all government back racism was done by the Democratic party! Why should anyone not a member of that party have to pay for those things? And before you say the parties changed sides again, Chris Rock says that "White people need to take ownership of Slavery" (again, my ancestors did not come to the U.S. until 30 years after the Civil war, so I am not sure why I have to "Own Slavery"), well should the today's Democrats have to OWN the action of their past?
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E2: Plus, we don't even need slavery. Jim Crow fucked over black people's wealth accumulation for most of a century, and is itself enough justification for some sort of compensation.

Again, these people would still be in Africa had their ancestors not been brought here. So, while Jim Crow laws were bad and a dark stain in American history - the reality is that nearly all of these people would be living in various 3rd world countries in Africa otherwise. Many would not make it to adulthood with the infant mortality rate in what would have been their home countries.

You talk about reparations? Fine. If someone wants reparations, I say give them a small reparation and also make them give up US citizenship and give up any chance to ever come back to the USA. They must go back to their homeland in Africa since it is so evil here and they'd be so much better off there. Note the sarcasm in bold.

I'm guessing you don't like that deal? Why do I know that? Because I know your argument.

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E: As long as we're considering counterfactuals, what would have happened if those millions of Africans had come to this country, and been treated as first-class citizens? How much better off would they be in that case?

What is counterfactual? That black people ultimately are better off here in America than they would have been in Africa for the last 300 years? I'm not sure the point you're trying to make. But, I'm guessing you're saying they weren't treated like 1st class citizens. True. They were slaves. A lot of different immigrant groups were treated shitty when they first came to the USA. All have largely overcame it and have prospered. Save one group...
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I suppose next you'll start arguing that slavery was a positive good for African-Americans. Nah, even if we accept that giving them Western Civilization is a net good, the government gives you Western Civilization in exchange for mere taxes, and you're still outraged at this oppressive theft of the fruits of your labors.

So, you're rolling out some speech from 1837? Ugh.... That's weak. We live in the here and now. Undoubtedly black people today actually benefited from slavery. Oh... I know, "How can he say that?" "That's outrageous!" Also true. I tried to find the clip from the Carmichael Show with David Allen Grier where he humorously explains it. Its probably out there somewhere.

Anyway, its an uncomfortable truth. Black people today are better off than they'd be if their ancestors had stayed in Africa. That doesn't take away from the terrible wrong that was done to their ancestors. Their ancestors were treated inhumanely.
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E: As long as we're considering counterfactuals, what would have happened if those millions of Africans had come to this country, and been treated as first-class citizens? How much better off would they be in that case?

What is counterfactual? That black people ultimately are better off here in America than they would have been in Africa for the last 300 years? I'm not sure the point you're trying to make. But, I'm guessing you're saying they weren't treated like 1st class citizens. True. They were slaves. A lot of different immigrant groups were treated shitty when they first came to the USA. All have largely overcame it and have prospered. Save one group...
Yes, "Black people would have been worse off had they been left in Africa rather than being stolen as slaves" is a counterfactual, because it goes against the facts as they happened. It's also immensely flawed, because you're comparing Africa and America in our world where we did import several million slaves, and not the correct Africa and America without several million people worth of slave trade, which would have changed things immensely. Without free slave labor, and the plantations it enabled, America would be several billion dollars poorer going into the 1800s than it was, a disadvantage which would only compound by comparison to Europe and Africa. (Especially if the point of divergence from our timeline is America only refusing to engage in the slave trade, while the Caribbean plantations continue turning Africans into sugar and molasses and money.)(Of course, the other possibility is that America doesn't import several million African slaves, and red hair becomes the mark of an inferior race.)

As for "Well all the other races made it good", the other side is that "All the other races were acknowledged as first class citizens", and that still hasn't happened for black people. As I posted up the page, the stigma of being black still outweighs the prestige of being a Harvard grad in the eyes of hiring managers. Even if a black person makes it good, they still don't prosper.
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I suppose next you'll start arguing that slavery was a positive good for African-Americans. Nah, even if we accept that giving them Western Civilization is a net good, the government gives you Western Civilization in exchange for mere taxes, and you're still outraged at this oppressive theft of the fruits of your labors.
So, you're rolling out some speech from 1837? Ugh.... That's weak. We live in the here and now. Undoubtedly black people today actually benefited from slavery. Oh... I know, "How can he say that?" "That's outrageous!" Also true. I tried to find the clip from the Carmichael Show with David Allen Grier where he humorously explains it. Its probably out there somewhere.

Anyway, its an uncomfortable truth. Black people today are better off than they'd be if their ancestors had stayed in Africa. That doesn't take away from the terrible wrong that was done to their ancestors. Their ancestors were treated inhumanely.
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