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Old 04-22-2017, 02:07 AM   #1
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When Parisian police yesterday shot dead Karim Cheurfi after he gunned down one of their own on the Champs-Elysees, they recognised him as one of an 11,000-strong army of mostly lone wolf suspected Islamic terrorists they know all about but usually can’t stop.

It took police hardly any time to raid the home they knew to be that of Cheurfi in the quiet Paris eastern suburb of Chelles; they’d had plenty of dealings with him spambecause he had a history going back the better part of two decades of repeatedly trying to kill police.
As someone is bound to point out, the terrorists are only a small minority of Muslims. How small would you consider that minority if these 11,000 potential terrorists were in your country?
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When Parisian police yesterday shot dead Karim Cheurfi after he gunned down one of their own on the Champs-Elysees, they recognised him as one of an 11,000-strong army of mostly lone wolf suspected Islamic terrorists they know all about but usually can’t stop.
As someone is bound to point out, the terrorists are only a small minority of Muslims. How small would you consider that minority if these 11,000 potential terrorists were in your country?
First, I think the French need to figure out the definition of "lone wolf".

As for your question, I'd be fine with that. While the French police might be inept, ours are perfectly okay with gunning down every brown-skinned person they see. So, we'd go through those 11,000 people right quick.

Even if that weren't the case, knowing there are 11,000 terrorists in the country, and knowing who they are, as the French do, the FBI can easily get warrants to have them discreetly followed until the find the terrorists preparing an attack, when they can be arrested.

So, I respect your need to validate your bigotry with absurd fantasies, but 11,000 people is really a small number, especially when the police and FBI know who they are. They pose very little danger.
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First, I think the French need to figure out the definition of "lone wolf".

As for your question, I'd be fine with that. While the French police might be inept, ours are perfectly okay with gunning down every brown-skinned person they see. So, we'd go through those 11,000 people right quick.

Even if that weren't the case, knowing there are 11,000 terrorists in the country, and knowing who they are, as the French do, the FBI can easily get warrants to have them discreetly followed until they find the terrorists preparing an attack, when they can be arrested.

So, I respect your need to validate your bigotry with absurd fantasies, but 11,000 people is really a small number, especially when the police and FBI know who they are. They pose very little danger.
Talk about unwarranted smugness.
An FBI agent earns about $70,000 a year at the bottom of the rankings.
To discretely follow one person you would need a minimum of three agents working in shifts. That's $210,000 per year.
As they don't work 24/7 you would need a second team to relieve the first team on weekends.
As the second team would only be dedicating two fifths of their time to the case we'll only charge two fifths of their salary. That's $84,000.
We now have a salary expenditure of $294,000 per suspect.
With 11,000 suspects that is $3,234,000,000 per year in salary just to trail the suspects.
It is also a workforce of 66,000 tied up in this trailing program, as a minimum.
Current staff for the FBI is about 36,000.

I'm sure the policeman who was murdered recently is happy to know that there is very little danger. After all, there are plenty more people out there to replace the ones who get killed by this small danger.

But don't you worry about any potential danger. You just go your way and happily smell the roses. That lovely scent from the roses will help hide the stench of the terrorists and you can safely deny them.
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There are about 20,000 people in the Aryan Brotherhood. While I recognize that these are a minority and not all white people, this still makes me nervous about having white people in my neighborhood.
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There are about 20,000 people in the Aryan Brotherhood. While I recognize that these are a minority and not all white people, this still makes me nervous about having white people in my neighborhood.
Fascinating. How many random acts of terror do they do world-wide?
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You make a good point. Remember when those ABs killed all those people in that nightclub in Orlando? Oh, hold on, my mistake. Wait, remember when the ABs beheaded that woman at her job in Oklahoma? Huh, oh wait... Remember when those ABs murdered their coworkers in San Bernadino? Oops. Ok, now I have it, remember when those ABs started using trucks to kill people as suggested in the AB monthly newsletter they publish? Well, shit. That isn't right either.

You are a special snowflake if you are scared of the AB that might live in your neighborhood. Do you live in a prison? Because the Aryan Brotherhood is a prison gang - and more criminal than racist. I think you meant the Aryan Nations. Which, LOL, is mostly a joke these days.

But, don't let my fact checking get in the way of your little story. Please continue.

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A Lone Wolf terrorist is "someone who prepares and commits violent acts alone, outside of any command structure and without material assistance from any group. However, he or she may be influenced or motivated by the ideology and beliefs of an external group, and may act in support of such a group."

I don't know the particulars about this particular terrorist in France. But, lone wolf terrorism is increasing more and more. Most of these people have no materiel assistance from the Islamic State. Many self-radicalize at home and are motivated by the ideology of groups like the Islamic State or AQ offshoots.

They've learned that if they operate as a group and communicate back and forth, they get caught pretty fast. At least here in the USA they do.

The Islamic State has encouraged more lone wolfs to rise up and conduct attacks anywhere they can. They publish a monthly magazine called "Rumiyah" that usually highlights past operations and recommends future tactics like vehicle ramming or edge weapons attacks or even arson.


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As someone is bound to point out, the terrorists are only a small minority of Muslims. How small would you consider that minority if these 11,000 potential terrorists were in your country?
First, I think the French need to figure out the definition of "lone wolf".

As for your question, I'd be fine with that. While the French police might be inept, ours are perfectly okay with gunning down every brown-skinned person they see. So, we'd go through those 11,000 people right quick.

Even if that weren't the case, knowing there are 11,000 terrorists in the country, and knowing who they are, as the French do, the FBI can easily get warrants to have them discreetly followed until the find the terrorists preparing an attack, when they can be arrested.

So, I respect your need to validate your bigotry with absurd fantasies, but 11,000 people is really a small number, especially when the police and FBI know who they are. They pose very little danger.
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I'm sure the policeman who was murdered recently is happy to know that there is very little danger. After all, there are plenty more people out there to replace the ones who get killed by this small danger.

But don't you worry about any potential danger. You just go your way and happily smell the roses. That lovely scent from the roses will help hide the stench of the terrorists and you can safely deny them.

For the first time ASHSON - I whole-heartedly see your pov and fully support it.
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A Lone Wolf terrorist is "someone who prepares and commits violent acts alone, outside of any command structure and without material assistance from any group. However, he or she may be influenced or motivated by the ideology and beliefs of an external group, and may act in support of such a group."
Right, and an 11,000 strong army of lone wolves is a bit of an oxymoron.
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You are a special snowflake if you are scared of the AB that might live in your neighborhood. Do you live in a prison? Because the Aryan Brotherhood is a prison gang - and more criminal than racist. I think you meant the Aryan Nations. Which, LOL, is mostly a joke these days.
I'm not scared of them, I'm just trying to make a point about this whole "Wink-wink nudge nudge I'm not outright saying they're all terrorists in so many words but doesn't it make you think" style of racism. Yeah, if I had 11,000 bombmakers living in my neighborhood I would be a little concerned about Muslims. On the other hand, if I had 11,000 Neo-Nazis and meth dealers in my neighborhood, I wouldn't be nearly so calm about white people. The difference is, meth dealers and Neo-Nazis aren't taken as representative of all white people the way you assume any given Muslim is probably a terrorist.
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I just have 2 points to make.
1. AB is irrelevant in the current context. They are criminals, not religious scums.

2. Are all Muslims terrorist? Heck no. In fact majority of victims of these terrorist attacks ARE Muslims. But do they have my sympathy? Spare me - this is a forum and I have no need to be "politically correct" - No - they don't. I am not exactly in love with Donald - but if he bans every muslim to enter this country - I would love that.

I am not sure how many of the FFMs regularly visit Europe. I do. Trust me, the majority there thinks like me. France and UK already facing major problems, so is Sweden. In Germany - Merkel is losing her iron-grip over this issue.
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Interestingly - my Indian collegues say Hindu radicals are also in rise because there are pockets in India where Muslims openly support Pakistan during India-Pakistan Cricket match (which I understand is almost like a game of life and death in that sub-continent). Politicians there also handles minority with a kid glove - so now radicals are coming into power. And we are talking about a country which did not invade any other country in past 3000 years.

Ditto in Myanamar. Buddhists are now killing Rohinga Muslims - and our sweet china is not far behind - Uyghur terrorists are making their life hell too. I understand every story has both sides to check but as a layman I can always infer where there are Muslims there is problem.
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2. Are all Muslims terrorist? Heck no. In fact majority of victims of these terrorist attacks ARE Muslims.

But saying that not all Muslims are terrorists flies in the face of their bigotry. Watch: soon, someone will come out with the fallacious Skittles analogy.
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Fascinating. How many random acts of terror do they do world-wide?

It's hard to say. Maybe one a month, maybe one a day. Who knows? It's impossible to tell, because members of the Aryan Brotherhood are white, so nothing they do is considered an act of terror.
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Wrong way around. I'm assuming any given terrorist is probably a Muslim.
There is something radically wrong with a faith that can be used to justify terrorism.
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Wrong way around. I'm assuming any given terrorist is probably a Muslim.
There is something radically wrong with a faith that can be used to justify terrorism.

who knows? May be it's like this. Somewhere I read all human's carry traits in his gene which may make him commit a murder. Some bubbles up, luckily most are not. That is true with Islam carrying traits of terrorism - unfortunately here most are bubbling up.

Come on guys. Around 600 AD a visionary unified Arabic Nomads (and robbers too - if I may remind) to form a fierce army to take over so and so. Forbade sodomy, promised 76 virgins in afterlife etc. What was relevant 1400 years ago is no longer relevant. You may argue that same can be said about all other religions. True, but no other religion in my knowledge so viciously champions detesting the kafirs. And for all you Muslim lovers/Liberals - please have a look at this - Trust me, you will be fascinated

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There is something radically wrong with a faith that can be used to justify terrorism.
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This day will I begin to put the dread of thee and the fear of thee upon the nations that are under the whole heaven, who shall hear report of thee, and shall tremble, and be in anguish because of thee.
WOW. See Garison - one of the other numerous reasons that I simply love you man. You rock. And another reason why I am right being an atheist.

But here is a straight question to you. Do you really believe Islam is an innocent religion? Any other religions generated so many terroritsts of late?

It will be interesting to hear your POV about Isalam and associated terrorists.
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Parts of the Quran are about love and kindness.
Other parts are about war, revenge, reprisal, etc.

When the Quran contradicts itself there is a simple way to clarify what is actually meant, contained within the Quran.

"Where my thoughts contradict my earlier thoughts, my latest thoughts are correct." That is not an exact interpretation but gets the message across. Unfortunately the verses on waging war and terror and revenge are in the later parts of the Quran, written at a time when Mohammed did not need to appease his foes. Your message changes drastically when you're speaking from a position of strength.
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2. Are all Muslims terrorist? Heck no. In fact majority of victims of these terrorist attacks ARE Muslims.

But saying that not all Muslims are terrorists flies in the face of their bigotry. Watch: soon, someone will come out with the fallacious Skittles analogy.
I'm going to be a bad liberal and say that I actually like the Skittles analogy, because it also applies to so many other things. Only one of these Skittles will roofie and rape me, for instance, as a counterexample explaining why #NotAllMen is less comforting than you'd think. Or only one Skittle will shoot me because of the color of my skin. Black people and Muslims aren't the only ones you should be concerned about.
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