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Old 03-24-2017, 02:53 PM   #1
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A question to fellow forum members

Has Trump caused any real damages so far?

Let us think about it. While there are direct impacts like common feeling of heightened racism (please, DO NOT deny it) or issuing executive orders that got stayed, had he really done some damages?

As of now I can think of only one. If this wall comes through, it will have severe impact on local ecosystem.

My source of political information is also this sub-forum, and I read each of your posts seriously. So a respectful exchange of POV will be appreciated.
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His very first day, he increased the cost of mortgage insurance. Home-owners now pay $500 more per year. That may not seem like much, but for many, it's the difference between owning a home and not. (Ignorant people will now just in and say, "If $500 makes that much of a difference, they shouldn't be buying a house in the first place.")

So, millions of people who wanted to buy a house won't. Without this income, many lending institutions will go bankrupt. Our tax money will go to bail them out. If they are not bailed out, thousands will lose their jobs.

And this is the least of the damage he's done.
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He's generally been too incompetent and lazy to do anything besides tweet and flee to his resort​ to play golf at this rate.

The first hundred days of a presidency usually help define it, and given how pessimistic everyone is about the Republican's (shitty) healthcare bill, it seems like he's generally squandered it by watching cable news and whining.
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His very first day, he increased the cost of mortgage insurance. Home-owners now pay $500 more per year. That may not seem like much, but for many, it's the difference between owning a home and not. (Ignorant people will now just in and say, "If $500 makes that much of a difference, they shouldn't be buying a house in the first place.")

So, millions of people who wanted to buy a house won't. Without this income, many lending institutions will go bankrupt. Our tax money will go to bail them out. If they are not bailed out, thousands will lose their jobs.

And this is the least of the damage he's done.

Trump has not cost anyone anything. Obama put this order in a week before he was leaving office. He did not consult trump on it. Trump cancelled the order as it put tax payers in more danger that did not out weigh the benfits of the savings.

So reality is the cost of a mortage stayed the same their was no increase as this program was never implemented.

Then we go into the reality of this, and an increase in FHA loans will run the price of the lower end houses up. So yup people will save 500 dollars, but will be paying thousands extra year in increased house prices. So all this move would have done is hurt the lower income people.
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He's generally been too incompetent and lazy to do anything besides tweet and flee to his resort​ to play golf at this rate.

The first hundred days of a presidency usually help define it, and given how pessimistic everyone is about the Republican's (shitty) healthcare bill, it seems like he's generally squandered it by watching cable news and whining.

Hmm you mean he was going to his golf course to work. Then everyone bitched there should have already been bill, the republicans are worthless for not having one they need to do something right way. So they crank one out to satisfy the american people. Now the bitch is the bill was rushed its not thought out. You don't get the best of both worlds. If you bitched that republicans were moving fast enough then you don't get to bitch that the bill they have is crap because it was rushed.
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While this is exact type of discussion I wanted to avoid (any non-quantifiable damage) - watched the recent German Chancellor fiasco?
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While this is exact type of discussion I wanted to avoid (any non-quantifiable damage) - watched the recent German Chancellor fiasco?

Thats why I asked him to eleborate, to see if he a valid reason or if it is more of the spout off what someone heard on the left news. The great statement of trump is a horrible president, but when asked why they have no clue, other than they know their supposed to hate him.

As for the fiasco I'm guess your refering to him not shaking hands or is it more indepth than that.
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While this is exact type of discussion I wanted to avoid (any non-quantifiable damage) - watched the recent German Chancellor fiasco?

Thats why I asked him to eleborate, to see if he a valid reason or if it is more of the spout off what someone heard on the left news. The great statement of trump is a horrible president, but when asked why they have no clue, other than they know their supposed to hate him.

As for the fiasco I'm guess your refering to him not shaking hands or is it more indepth than that.
Frankly dart, I did not like his demeanor during the whole process. But again, that's beside the point, and there are far more awkward situations previous presidents had created, I am sure of that.
But let us stop here. I am asking for quantifiable damage, and so far the sense I am getting is none.
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Thats why I asked him to eleborate, to see if he a valid reason or if it is more of the spout off what someone heard on the left news. The great statement of trump is a horrible president, but when asked why they have no clue, other than they know their supposed to hate him.

As for the fiasco I'm guess your refering to him not shaking hands or is it more indepth than that.
Frankly dart, I did not like his demeanor during the whole process. But again, that's beside the point, and there are far more awkward situations previous presidents had created, I am sure of that.
But let us stop here. I am asking for quantifiable damage, and so far the sense I am getting is none.

I have not watched any video of it, so have not seen that. But as far as demeanor goes, there is a lot behind closed doors we do not see. So as far as demeanor goes I overlook that it till more info comes out, on what is actually happening.
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He's generally been too incompetent and lazy to do anything besides tweet and flee to his resort​ to play golf at this rate.

The first hundred days of a presidency usually help define it, and given how pessimistic everyone is about the Republican's (shitty) healthcare bill, it seems like he's generally squandered it by watching cable news and whining.

Hmm you mean he was going to his golf course to work. Then everyone bitched there should have already been bill, the republicans are worthless for not having one they need to do something right way. So they crank one out to satisfy the american people. Now the bitch is the bill was rushed its not thought out. You don't get the best of both worlds. If you bitched that republicans were moving fast enough then you don't get to bitch that the bill they have is crap because it was rushed.

Hey dummy: when you complain about Obama golfing too much, you don't get to do that the second you come into office. Especially when you try and hide it.

Secondly, enough with your horseshit: the Republicans had SEVEN YEARS to come up with ideas on an alternative to Obamacare. All they did during that time was deflect, or give a nonsense answer like "dur hur hur state lines." I'm not asking that they had a word for word bill on what they were going to do, because you're stupidly fixated on that: I'm asking that they have some concept of a plan before they went to town.

They didn't. They put together a "rushed" plan because the plan was to never have a plan. They haven't "satisfied the American people" because we're officially at a point where more people approve of the ACA than disapprove of it, whereas their plan was at a whopping 17%.

I'd call you a sheep with the way you'll endlessly defend Republicans, but given your inability to have a rational thought, that would be insulting to the sheep.
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His very first day, he increased the cost of mortgage insurance.
Trump has not cost anyone anything. Obama put this order in a week before he was leaving office.
You are such a stupid fucking moron. Typical Trumpanzee, you believe anything your God, the Lord Almighty Trump tells you. What an idiot.

Here it is: http://www.ajc.com/news/national/trump-first-executive-order-suspends-mortgage-insurance-rate-decrease/

Trump's first Executive Order was to suspend an order that would have allowed more people to own houses, raising the cost of mortgage insurance to $500 per year. With more people applying for (and getting) home loans, lending institutions can lower their interest rates, thereby saving homeowners even more money. But lower interest rates means evil billionaires like Trump don't make as much money. Can't have that, now, can we?

So Trump guarantees his high income, and lies to the public about the reason. You, being a typical moronic Trumpeteer, buy into the whole thing, like it was actually the truth.
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Ahem, no name calling please.
Shuguy - thanks for the post (minus the insult). Trump golfing or not does not matter for this thread. But I like the way you cite sources. Thanks

Garison my friend - thanks for the post. These are the kind of factsheets I was asking for. Do you know/Guess why this Trump did this?
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I have not watched any video of it, so have not seen that. But as far as demeanor goes, there is a lot behind closed doors we do not see. So as far as demeanor goes I overlook that it till more info comes out, on what is actually happening.

Umm, don't agree with you. No matter what goes behind the closed doors, outward decorum should be maintained. Now don't defend stating Trump is a pure-hearted person and he could not possibly kept the ruse, no one going to buy it.
Watch the video - you will see....
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You are such a stupid fucking moron. Typical Trumpanzee, you believe anything your God, the Lord Almighty Trump tells you. What an idiot.


Still can't discuss anything without personal attacks.
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Garison my friend - thanks for the post. These are the kind of factsheets I was asking for. Do you know/Guess why this Trump did this?
I would chalk it up to bigotry. He doesn't like Black people, and especially doesn't like Obama. Even if it's not bigotry, he's spent so much time and effort demonizing Obama, his supporters (who are demonstrably bigoted) would lynch him if he didn't eliminate everything Obama worked for. So he doesn't look at good or bad, it's just, "Obama did this, so we have to deep-six it." It doesn't matter what damage this causes, if Obama did it, it has to go.
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You are such a stupid fucking moron. Typical Trumpanzee, you believe anything your God, the Lord Almighty Trump tells you. What an idiot.
Still can't discuss anything without personal attacks.
Still don't know the difference between a personal attack and a statement of fact.
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The cancelling to the Mortgage insurance only applies to FHA loans, not the housing market generally.
The FHA insures about 16 percent of the homes sold in the country. The loans are popular with first-time home buyers and those without the best credit.
You know the type of loans. The ones that caused the Global Financial Crisis when the banks freely handed them out.

Somehow, I can't see see people everywhere not being able to afford houses because of this decision. Insurance rates are generally decided on by actuaries who make their living working out complex formulas that apply to the insurance industry. Any politician who sticks their nose in is already out of their depth. The question is, who was changing what the actuaries suggested was the correct rate - Obama or Trump?

The original policy change was made January, 9th, when Obama was effectively in caretaker mode and shouldn't have been making these sort of decisions.
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The FHA insures about 16 percent of the homes sold in the country. The loans are popular with first-time home buyers and those without the best credit.
You know the type of loans. The ones that caused the Global Financial Crisis when the banks freely handed them out.

The original policy change was made January, 9th, when Obama was effectively in caretaker mode and shouldn't have been making these sort of decisions.

Yes, you are bang on that point. I read it too, and was wondering about 16% and poor credit staff.
You see Ashon, this is a 2 way sword. One group will argue - poor credit holders are essentially black/hispanic etc and Trump did good cutting their loans, and another group will argue against it. So I am not going there, and I think this is becoming over-simplification anyway. Frankly, anything that applies to poor credit holders (80% of whom could have avoided that) - I am not very favorable.

Your second point makes sense too.
But anything else you can think of? About the really damaging part?
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