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Old 02-13-2017, 05:04 PM   #1
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Time to send in the military and police forces and clean those areas up. Deport all those violent and breaking the laws.
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Not sure what's going on here. The newscasters are all saying "refugees", but the video and thread titles both say "migrants". So, what are we talking about? People who immigrated into Sweden, or workers who travel from place to place?
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Not sure what's going on here. The newscasters are all saying "refugees", but the video and thread titles both say "migrants". So, what are we talking about? People who immigrated into Sweden, or workers who travel from place to place?
and say the word:
MUSLIM
...they said MUSLIM, I heard them say it & so did anyone watching the video.(4:35)
Somalia is a majority MUSLIM country
whats going on is as soon as the police leave, MUSLIMS attacked non-Muslims.
a fucking guy in an electric wheelchair was the only one to fight back

theres literally no reason, need or room for any confusion
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Not sure what's going on here. The newscasters are all saying "refugees", but the video and thread titles both say "migrants". So, what are we talking about? People who immigrated into Sweden, or workers who travel from place to place?

In this case, migrants are people who moved to Sweden purely for economic reasons and never intend to return to their origin country. Refugees are people who left their home country due to persecution and are subject to more stringent requirements for deportation once accepted as that status. Clouding the distinction is the common euphemism "economic refugees" to denote migrants by the sympathetic media.
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In this case, migrants are people who moved to Sweden purely for economic reasons and never intend to return to their origin country. Refugees are people who left their home country due to persecution and are subject to more stringent requirements for deportation once accepted as that status. Clouding the distinction is the common euphemism "economic refugees" to denote migrants by the sympathetic media.
but Id be willing to bet the sympathetic media would change its mind & pull its head out of its ass if every member of said media were required to take home at least 1 "economic refugee" permanently.

much the same way you would pretty much stop demonstrations against abortion by requiring every protester to adopt an orphan child.

not only the above, but clearly a very good way to choose between "economic refugees" to be deported or allowed to stay is to deport those not speaking English or Swedish.

you didnt see a one speaking English commit a single hostile act.
the fact itself indicating both their ability & desire to assimilate
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whats going on is as soon as the police leave, MUSLIMS attacked non-Muslims.
The first question I would ask is, how were these Muslims treated? Were they welcomed with open arms, befriended, and treated with kindness and respect? Or were they ostracized, put upon, and stripped of their belongings?

Let's be realistic: even fluffy bunnies will strike back when they feel they've been wronged.
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whats going on is as soon as the police leave, MUSLIMS attacked non-Muslims.
The first question I would ask is, how were these Muslims treated? Were they welcomed with open arms, befriended, and treated with kindness and respect? Or were they ostracized, put upon, and stripped of their belongings?

Let's be realistic: even fluffy bunnies will strike back when they feel they've been wronged.

Here is an interesting article, indicating that they were welcomed with open arms and provided with a great deal of support and good lodgings until the new migrants wore out their welcome by failing to assimilate and get jobs: http://foreignpolicy.com/2016/02/10/...efugee-europe/

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The financial costs, even for one of Europe’s richest countries, were daunting. Sweden expects to spend about 7 percent of its $100 billion budget next year on refugees. The real number is somewhat higher, since the costs of educating and training those who have already received asylum are not included in that figure. It is, in any case, double the 2015 budget. Where will the additional funds come from? It’s not clear yet, but since the cost of caring for refugees is considered a form of development assistance, Sweden has already cut 30 percent of its very generous foreign aid budget, which largely goes to fortify the very countries from which people are now fleeing, to help make up the difference. Other European donors, including Norway, have done so as well.

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She worried that the costs of Sweden’s generosity were only beginning to come due, and no one cared to tally them. She had just learned that since the right to 450 days of parental leave per child enshrined in Swedish laws also applies to women who arrive in the country with children under seven, refugees could qualify for several years’ worth of paid leave — even without working, since unemployed women also receive maternal benefits.

NOTE: Foreign Policy magazine is widely assessed as liberal-leaning, published by the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace.
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Perhaps should should have actually read that article. The article admits that most of the new arrivals had "low levels of skills" and "had been notably unsuccessful joining the job market." Compare this with your own take on the article, which boils down to "these lazy immigrants can't be bothered to find work." The article, on the other hand, clearly states that there are no jobs to be had.

Now, I applaud the country of Sweden for bringing in these homeless people and giving them a place to stay, but they did not plan appropriately in two directions: 1) they did not plan on finding or creating housing for the number of people who arrived, and 2) they did nothing to provide these people with either job training or opportunities.

The immigrants, therefore, came to a new (and much colder) land, and found themselves spending winter on the streets. Outcasts of their own country, they find themselves unwanted in their new country. Sweden may be a hell of a nice place, but Swedes are human, and humans look askance at anyone who is different. Somalis are twenty shades darker than your average Swede, and so are looked upon as "different". This is especially prevalent in the job market. If an employer has one job opening, and a choice between a lily-white Swede who has been there all of his life, or a dark-dark alien without the required job skills, who do you think that employer is going to pick?

And so everyone is shocked and surprised when the immigrants strike back. What shocks and surprises me is that people are shocked and surprised that it happens, when the people themselves caused it.
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Perhaps should should have actually read that article. The article admits that most of the new arrivals had "low levels of skills" and "had been notably unsuccessful joining the job market." Compare this with your own take on the article, which boils down to "these lazy immigrants can't be bothered to find work." The article, on the other hand, clearly states that there are no jobs to be had.

Now, I applaud the country of Sweden for bringing in these homeless people and giving them a place to stay, but they did not plan appropriately in two directions: 1) they did not plan on finding or creating housing for the number of people who arrived, and 2) they did nothing to provide these people with either job training or opportunities.

The immigrants, therefore, came to a new (and much colder) land, and found themselves spending winter on the streets. Outcasts of their own country, they find themselves unwanted in their new country. Sweden may be a hell of a nice place, but Swedes are human, and humans look askance at anyone who is different. Somalis are twenty shades darker than your average Swede, and so are looked upon as "different". This is especially prevalent in the job market. If an employer has one job opening, and a choice between a lily-white Swede who has been there all of his life, or a dark-dark alien without the required job skills, who do you think that employer is going to pick?

And so everyone is shocked and surprised when the immigrants strike back. What shocks and surprises me is that people are shocked and surprised that it happens, when the people themselves caused it.
You applaud the country while at the same time accusing the people. The people are the country.

They didn't plan? They didn't provide opportunities? They didn't ask for 165,000 people to invade their country but welcomed them anyway.

They feed them, clothe them, provide medical care and schooling.

And you say they don't do enough. You want them to sacrifice their own citizens in favour of this influx of newcomers.

Strike back? They are striking FIRST. They were not invited in. If they don't like it they can go somewhere else. Similar situations are developing all over Europe with hundreds of thousands of 'refugees' invading each year.

Sweden, a fraction the size of the US, takes in more refugees than the US. They have successfully taken in refugees who have assimilated with the country since the second world war - averaging 40,000 a year.

And you have the gall to blame then and say they should do more?

You're worried about Trump starting a war?
If you open your eyes you'll see it has already started.
The situation in Europe will continue to deteriorate as people get tired of being attacked within their own borders. There will soon be a major mood swing and retaliation. Expect very nasty scenes, and in the future they won't all be caused by 'refugees' attacking civilians which is the current case.
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In this case, migrants are people who moved to Sweden purely for economic reasons and never intend to return to their origin country. Refugees are people who left their home country due to persecution and are subject to more stringent requirements for deportation once accepted as that status. Clouding the distinction is the common euphemism "economic refugees" to denote migrants by the sympathetic media.
but Id be willing to bet the sympathetic media would change its mind & pull its head out of its ass if every member of said media were required to take home at least 1 "economic refugee" permanently.

much the same way you would pretty much stop demonstrations against abortion by requiring every protester to adopt an orphan child.

not only the above, but clearly a very good way to choose between "economic refugees" to be deported or allowed to stay is to deport those not speaking English or Swedish.

you didnt see a one speaking English commit a single hostile act.
the fact itself indicating both their ability & desire to assimilate
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but Id be willing to bet the sympathetic media would change its mind & pull its head out of its ass if every member of said media were required to take home at least 1 "economic refugee" permanently.

much the same way you would pretty much stop demonstrations against abortion by requiring every protester to adopt an orphan child.

not only the above, but clearly a very good way to choose between "economic refugees" to be deported or allowed to stay is to deport those not speaking English or Swedish.

you didnt see a one speaking English commit a single hostile act.
the fact itself indicating both their ability & desire to assimilate
Im not much interested in what i sound like period.
you look & see if you find anywhere I have posted in favor of Muslims.

I would personally be in favor of kill or deport Muslims by the tens of thousands
in all countries where these type actions occur.
I bet you I could slow that shit down :wicked:

the fact remains that its entirely possible that many (if not most) of the Muslims you saw
never had any attention of assimiliation and are the vanguard of an outright (hotly denied) invasion.

I dont care who dont like that either
no matter who wants to play Muslim apologist.

NOBODY you will see taking the other side of the issue can offer a better
method to sort the good from the bad than I did
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For someone who espouses to be liberal, you sure sound like a right winger to me.
He sounds like someone who sees a clash of cultures to me.
Observance of the Quran and Sharia law are basically incompatible with Western values.
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For someone who espouses to be liberal, you sure sound like a right winger to me.

Im not much interested in what i sound like period.
you look & see if you find anywhere I have posted in favor of Muslims.

I would personally be in favor of kill or deport Muslims by the tens of thousands
in all countries where these type actions occur.
I bet you I could slow that shit down :wicked:

the fact remains that its entirely possible that many (if not most) of the Muslims you saw
never had any attention of assimiliation and are the vanguard of an outright (hotly denied) invasion.

I dont care who dont like that either
no matter who wants to play Muslim apologist.

NOBODY you will see taking the other side of the issue can offer a better
method to sort the good from the bad than I did
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I've lived among Muslims in multiple hostile areas. Most are good people. But, too many aren't.
And there's the problem in a nutshell. Too many aren't.
How do you tell the good from the bad?
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That's why we need more vetting. Its hard enough to vet the ones where we have some semblance of order i.e. Afghanistan. But, even that isn't 100%.

But, the left is just so anti-Trump that they don't give a shite. Oppose Trump and let them all in! Woo hoo!

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I've lived among Muslims in multiple hostile areas. Most are good people. But, too many aren't.
And there's the problem in a nutshell. Too many aren't.
How do you tell the good from the bad?
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But, the left is just so anti-Trump that they don't give a shite. Oppose Trump and let them all in! Woo hoo!

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And there's the problem in a nutshell. Too many aren't.
How do you tell the good from the bad?
Really? I don't think I've seen any leftists arguing against increased vetting, apart from the fact, as I've argued, that 18-24 months of vetting for refugees is probably adequate. Most of the complaints I've seen, including the lawsuits that got the order blocked, revolve around the fact that Trump went sailing past "increased vetting" all the way to "travel ban" and "detain/deport everybody, including citizens". I expect he could have gotten away with it if he'd just ordered that "Starting in 90 days nobody from these countries will be welcome, including refugees", and thereby avoided the "irreparable harm" that gave the states ground for lawsuits. It'd still be vulnerable to the argument that it's just a backdoor Muslim ban, but there's not much he could really do about that.

ETA: Wouldn't protect against every lawsuit, mind.
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Holy fuck darth you don't stick to any morals or standards do you. People that have grown up in this country and were taught that black people were called the n word and homosexuality was wrong, you say are evil and should die. But immigrants coming in, you say it ok and you will try to explain it them. Hypocrite much.
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You're missing the fifth panel, where she explains that whatever he calls God, we don't hang gays in this country and women do have rights.


Holy fuck darth you don't stick to any morals or standards do you. People that have grown up in this country and were taught that black people were called the n word and homosexuality was wrong, you say are evil and should die. But immigrants coming in, you say it ok and you will try to explain it them. Hypocrite much.

I'd challenge you to point out where Darth has actually said "you are evil and should die," but your schtick seems to be spouting off unsourced bullshit and pretending you're saying something profound.
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