No God Bless the USA at graduation. Teacher gets racist hate mail

[sleepneat]

Originally Posted by 12941

So, if multiculturalism doesn't work, are you saying that it is ok for other countries to discriminate against Americans residing in other countries using your argument?

Singing country-specific patriotic songs is discrimination?

So, it would be ok for American athiests/jews/christians to be compelled to celebrate Muslim religious occasions/festivities when they are in Muslim countries?

Go to Saudi Arabia; when the Imams call the faithful to prayer, get caught outside by the Prayer Police, and see what happens


Would it be ok for American women to be compelled to wear burkhas when in Muslim countries?

Is the US a Muslim country?


So when an american couple (who aren't married to each other) find themselves in an ultra-orthodox jewish part of Israel, would it be ok for them to be stoned to death for adultery?

Don't go there, unmarried couple, and have sex.

If I don't like the food at McDonalds, then I don't go there...get it?

You know, America is supposed to be a 'melting pot' of different peoples, religions, and cultures, all rolled in to one. However, the thing that keeps that pot 'melting' is the American culture. That's the biggest problem with Lefties, they don't understand that.

Originally Posted by tequilasundae

I love your pigeonholeing of everyone who isn't permanently stuck in the 1950's with a buzz cut and wife in the kitchen. (see what i did there?) Anytime one of these 'war on' stories comes out , it's the whole dadgum left involved.
It's not a question of whether multiculturalism 'works' or not. Culture has to evolve, especially with more cultures being added to it.

See "melting pot"

so to knock out some of your pundit points.

I know NO lefties that have said anything but good about our founding fathers, in FACT, we use their arguments about, oh,separation of church and state, or bankers owing everything, atheism etc when you throw your rightie buffoonery at us in their names.

a) there is no such thing as a "separation of church and state" in the constitution

b)Give a read to the Declaration of Independence, and tell me where our rights come from

c)Capitalism is a motherfucker, wanna get some money? Own a bank

Who says a school HAS to recite the pledge? The US open on NBC showed some children reciting it last year and they left out 'under God' and you righties went apeshit! (forgetting conveniently that those words were only added during the Red Scare in the 1950s).

Exactly. No one has to recite it. But it's dipshits like you who want that taken out, along with "In God We Trust" as our National Motto.


I see NO shortage of patriotism on Veteran's Day or Memorial Day.

Thanks to modern Veteran/Biker groups...let's see you guys spit on one of them or call them "baby killer"

The Easter bunny has been around for years, I hardly think it's a political conspiracy.

Spring Bunny

Xmas and Halloween : one community or school does away with it and it's a "WAR ON"....THank you Fox News for that

Not just "one" many schools here in California have dropped both of those. Even some schools have changed their holiday schedule to accommodate children of Illegal Mexican to go back to Mexico for whatever holidays they have without missing class.

The song sucks, it's dated, it's cheesy, and I openly cringe when I hear it, like I do when Celine Dion starts up. It is however JUST A SONG!!

Thanks for the pic, btw. That was mighty White of you

[sleepneat]

From Mediaite-The top 10 Song guaranteed to annoy Liberals...and guess which is number one?

http://www.mediaite.com/online/the-t...oy-liberals/#9

[ShuGuy]

Originally Posted by sleepneat

[color="Red"]a) there is no such thing as a "separation of church and state" in the constitution

b)Give a read to the Declaration of Independence, and tell me where our rights come from

A) Technically, you're right that the words don't appear there. But the 1st Amendment says "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof." This, along with papers written by Madison, Jefferson, and other Founding Fathers has been the continued context for the Supreme Court's interpretation of the separation of church and state.

Further, the 1797 Treaty of Tripoli states "...As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion..." Article VI, Clause 2 of the Constitution states that treaties are the supreme law of the land, so I'm still not sure how the concept of "separation of church and state" isn't in the Constitution even if the wording isn't directly there.

B) The Declaration of Independence has no governing power. It's only purpose was to piss George III off and rally Europe to America's cause. Also: it says "Creator," not Yahweh/Elohim/Adonai/Jesus/any other name for the Judeo-Christian god. It relates to Deism at best. So I'm not sure what your point is in citing this.

Exactly. No one has to recite it. But it's dipshits like you who want that taken out, along with "In God We Trust" as our National Motto.

Given that the motto was "E Pluribus Unum" before 1956 came along and those Cold War kids decided we needed to show how we weren't godless Communists, what precisely is the historical precedent for keeping it again?

[tequilasundae]

ya know for someone who defends fox against brainwashing people he sure sounds like someone who is watching a lot of FOx

[CoyoteStarrk]

Originally Posted by sleepneat

From Mediaite-The top 10 Song guaranteed to annoy Liberals...and guess which is number one?

http://www.mediaite.com/online/the-t...oy-liberals/#9

"And since I relish the opportunity to annoy both sides, check back soon for a list of top ten songs guaranteed to annoy conservatives."

A writer after my own heart!

[CoyoteStarrk]

For anyone who's interested, here's the other side to Sleepy's annoying liberal link.
http://www.mediaite.com/online/the-t...nservatives/#0

I think I just called Sleepy an annoying liberal, A 1000 apologies

[12941]

Originally Posted by sleepneat

So, if multiculturalism doesn't work, are you saying that it is ok for other countries to discriminate against Americans residing in other countries using your argument?

Singing country-specific patriotic songs is discrimination?

Yeah, but what you refuse to acknowledge is that in the news article, it was a school sponsored event.
Forcing people to miss out on a celebration of a personal achievement because of it is turned into a group specific event is very close if not outright discrimination.
Making a student feel like an "outsider" within a group of which he is a part is discrimination.

So, it would be ok for American athiests/jews/christians to be compelled to celebrate Muslim religious occasions/festivities when they are in Muslim countries?

Go to Saudi Arabia; when the Imams call the faithful to prayer, get caught outside by the Prayer Police, and see what happens

So it's ok for you then?

Would it be ok for American women to be compelled to wear burkhas when in Muslim countries?

Is the US a Muslim country?

So if muslims are the predominant group in a certain school district in Texas would it be ok then?


So when an american couple (who aren't married to each other) find themselves in an ultra-orthodox jewish part of Israel, would it be ok for them to be stoned to death for adultery?

Don't go there, unmarried couple, and have sex

The ypothetical american couple would lose nothing by not going to that place. In the news item, the student would miss out on a once in his lifetime event by not going because he would be made to feel as an outsider.

If I don't like the food at McDonalds, then I don't go there...get it?

You miss the point entirely. Going to McDonald's is voluntary and one doesn't lose anythig by not going. A school event is different.

You know, America is supposed to be a 'melting pot' of different peoples, religions, and cultures, all rolled in to one. However, the thing that keeps that pot 'melting' is the American culture. That's the biggest problem with Lefties, they don't understand that.

What is American culture? I'd like a standard definition please.

My reply in blue

[sleepneat]

Originally Posted by 12941

My reply in blue

Really.......

From your first:

"Making a student feel like an "outsider" within a group of which he is a part is discrimination."

To your last

"The ypothetical american couple would lose nothing by not going to that place. In the news item, the student would miss out on a once in his lifetime event by not going because he would be made to feel as an outsider."

Reeks of insanity

Every ethnic celebration like Black History Month; Hispanic History Month, Asian Pacific History Month, Native American History Month, Women's History Month, that is sanctioned by the Congress (American) and celebrated in schools and government, is discrimination...right?

You mean to tell me that singing American specific songs in an American school is discriminating against non-Americans?

You people are insane.

[sleepneat]

Originally Posted by ShuGuy

A) Technically, you're right that the words don't appear there. But the 1st Amendment says "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof." This, along with papers written by Madison, Jefferson, and other Founding Fathers has been the continued context for the Supreme Court's interpretation of the separation of church and state.

The Supreme Court has no power to interpret the Constitution.

"Congress shall pass no law respecting an establishment of Religion" What do you think that means?


Further, the 1797 Treaty of Tripoli states "...As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion..." Article VI, Clause 2 of the Constitution states that treaties are the supreme law of the land, so I'm still not sure how the concept of "separation of church and state" isn't in the Constitution even if the wording isn't directly there.

That's not what the intention was with that treaty, the intention was to assure the Muslims that religion wouldn't come between the two powers in administering the Treaty.


B) The Declaration of Independence has no governing power. It's only purpose was to piss George III off and rally Europe to America's cause. Also: it says "Creator," not Yahweh/Elohim/Adonai/Jesus/any other name for the Judeo-Christian god. It relates to Deism at best. So I'm not sure what your point is in citing this.

It didn't say "Ape" or "Chimp" or whatever you people believe we evolved from. Intelligent design is what it is referring to

Given that the motto was "E Pluribus Unum" before 1956 came along and those Cold War kids decided we needed to show how we weren't godless Communists, what precisely is the historical precedent for keeping it again?

You took alot of time to research, but like the rest of the Lefties, you left important shit out to advance or prove your claim.

"Out of Many, One" would be just as bad as "In God We Trust" with you guys; since you focus on what group/race people are labeled in (according to you). The American melting pot is pretty much dead......

So it really doesn't matter....does it?

[ShuGuy]

Originally Posted by sleepneat

If that's true, I think you've missed just about every single Supreme Court case ever. Ok, not ever; just since Thomas Jefferson and John Marshall's row.

Further, the 1797 Treaty of Tripoli states "...As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion..." Article VI, Clause 2 of the Constitution states that treaties are the supreme law of the land, so I'm still not sure how the concept of "separation of church and state" isn't in the Constitution even if the wording isn't directly there.

That's not what the intention was with that treaty, the intention was to assure the Muslims that religion wouldn't come between the two powers in administering the Treaty.

No, the intention was to say that since we weren't a Christian nation, and we hadn't done anything to provoke it, there wasn't a point to the Barbary States to keep being pirating assholes to us. Can you try to dispute what's written there again?

B) The Declaration of Independence has no governing power. It's only purpose was to piss George III off and rally Europe to America's cause. Also: it says "Creator," not Yahweh/Elohim/Adonai/Jesus/any other name for the Judeo-Christian god. It relates to Deism at best. So I'm not sure what your point is in citing this.

It didn't say "Ape" or "Chimp" or whatever you people believe we evolved from. Intelligent design is what it is referring to

So, 2 things here:

1) You start this reply with, "the Supreme Court can't interpret the Constitution." After trying to use the Declaration of Independence as evidence of federal powers, even though it has no governing powers. Huh?
2) Besides displaying a complete and total ignorance of the theory of evolution, what was your point here?

Given that the motto was "E Pluribus Unum" before 1956 came along and those Cold War kids decided we needed to show how we weren't godless Communists, what precisely is the historical precedent for keeping it again?

You took alot of time to research, but like the rest of the Lefties, you left important shit out to advance or prove your claim.

Like what?

"Out of Many, One" would be just as bad as "In God We Trust" with you guys; since you focus on what group/race people are labeled in (according to you). The American melting pot is pretty much dead......

So it really doesn't matter....does it?

[12941]

Originally Posted by sleepneat

Really.......

From your first:

"Making a student feel like an "outsider" within a group of which he is a part is discrimination."

To your last

"The ypothetical american couple would lose nothing by not going to that place. In the news item, the student would miss out on a once in his lifetime event by not going because he would be made to feel as an outsider."

Reeks of insanity

Well that's what a predominantly conservative SCt has held. Look up the School Prayer Cases.


Every ethnic celebration like Black History Month; Hispanic History Month, Asian Pacific History Month, Native American History Month, Women's History Month, that is sanctioned by the Congress (American) and celebrated in schools and government, is discrimination...right?

How are those religious events?
Invoking God is a religious practice.
Can't you tell the difference?

You mean to tell me that singing American specific songs in an American school is discriminating against non-Americans?

God Bless America is just an "American specific" song, it is a religious one as well.

You people are insane.

Who isn't?
You?

Cheers!

[sleepneat]

@Shuguy-SCOTUS interprets laws/cases as they pertain to the Constitution, not the other way around.

Period.