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Old 02-17-2017, 11:35 AM   #1
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Stop Bitchin' and do what it takes to become a legal citizen.
The last time I looked, the cost of filling out the forms to become a citizen was $980. Per person. Tack onto that the advised attorney fees, which generally amount to about $500 per day. Per person. Then add the waiting period, which could be up to twenty-six years.

Are you an American? Congrats to you. Would you still be an American if you had to pay an average of $10,000 per person for your family to stay in this country? No, you wouldn't.

These "illegal" immigrants want to be Americans. That's why they come here, and for no other reason. And we say, "Fuck you. You're not rich, so we don't want you."

Drop the application fee to $10. Get rid of the lawyers. The "illegal" immigrants will be gone in a week.
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Stop Bitchin' and do what it takes to become a legal citizen.
The last time I looked, the cost of filling out the forms to become a citizen was $980. Per person. Tack onto that the advised attorney fees, which generally amount to about $500 per day. Per person. Then add the waiting period, which could be up to twenty-six years.

Are you an American? Congrats to you. Would you still be an American if you had to pay an average of $10,000 per person for your family to stay in this country? No, you wouldn't.

These "illegal" immigrants want to be Americans. That's why they come here, and for no other reason. And we say, "Fuck you. You're not rich, so we don't want you."

Drop the application fee to $10. Get rid of the lawyers. The "illegal" immigrants will be gone in a week.
Look around you! They only want what America can give them. You don`t see them flying American flags do you? They admit that they are here for the money to send home to the families. There are reasons for "Immigration laws" and what is happening now with the flood of illegals is the reason.
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Stop Bitchin' and do what it takes to become a legal citizen.
The last time I looked, the cost of filling out the forms to become a citizen was $980. Per person. Tack onto that the advised attorney fees, which generally amount to about $500 per day. Per person. Then add the waiting period, which could be up to twenty-six years.

Are you an American? Congrats to you. Would you still be an American if you had to pay an average of $10,000 per person for your family to stay in this country? No, you wouldn't.

These "illegal" immigrants want to be Americans. That's why they come here, and for no other reason. And we say, "Fuck you. You're not rich, so we don't want you."

Drop the application fee to $10. Get rid of the lawyers. The "illegal" immigrants will be gone in a week.
You, me and every other American citizen has paid MORE then $10,000 to be here! And an illegal is going to take that for nothing because of people like YOU!
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Yes, I do. You don't see it because you are a bigot, and don't bother looking at all.
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You, me and every other American citizen were American citizens from the moment of our birth. None of us has paid anything to be citizens.
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Look around you! They only want what America can give them. You don`t see them flying American flags do you?
Yes, I do. You don't see it because you are a bigot, and don't bother looking at all.
Yes! I`m a bigot for opposing illegal aliens. If i said i have no problem legal aliens would that be proper??
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I pay more than that every year, FICA, Medicare, Property tax, SSA tax. So yes I pay and they don't.
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You, me and every other American citizen were American citizens from the moment of our birth. None of us has paid anything to be citizens.
I pay more than that every year, FICA, Medicare, Property tax, SSA tax. So yes I pay and they don't.
First: Illegal immigrants -- those who have full-time jobs -- pay the same taxes you do. Except you get your refund back each year, but they don't.

Second: Let's say you stop paying those things. Do you lose your citizenship? No, you don't. And that means no, you you do not pay to be an American. You were born an American -- it was free for you, and everyone else who was born here. Citizenship is your first birthday gift. You get it for free the day you are born, you never have to pay anything for it, and it can't be taken away.
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Second: Let's say you stop paying those things. Do you lose your citizenship? No, you don't. And that means no, you you do not pay to be an American. You were born an American -- it was free for you, and everyone else who was born here. Citizenship is your first birthday gift. You get it for free the day you are born, you never have to pay anything for it, and it can't be taken away.

I don't stop being an American citizen should I refuse to pay my taxes. What I stop being, however, is a free citizen since I'll be locked up for tax evasion and my (and likely my wife's) assets seized to cover what's owed, on top of the cost of my prosecution and defense.

While you don't have to pay to continue being a citizen if you're natural born, taxes aren't exactly optional if you want to keep what bit of liberty you still have.
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So you're saying that if you lose your job, run through all of your savings, and end up on the street unable to pay any taxes because you have no income, you'll be put in prison for tax evasion.

Taxes are optional, in the right circumstances.

And we are not talking about liberty here. We're talking about citizenship, which is free and unirrevocable for all natural-born citizens, and damn expensive for immigrants.
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Taxes are optional so long as you, in short, don't participate in the economy in any fashion for which there is an exemption (of which there aren't many).

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And we are not talking about liberty here. We're talking about citizenship, which is free and unirrevocable for all natural-born citizens, and damn expensive for immigrants.

And it's damn expensive for immigrants to become a citizen of other countries as well. The US is not unique with regard to that. And you might want to look up "expatriation", which can happen whether you're a natural-born or naturalized citizen.
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