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Old 04-11-2017, 11:26 AM   #1
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Yeah yeah yeah, we all know the Gulf petromonarchies are thundering assholes on a national scale, but that doesn't excuse us refusing to take in people in need.
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Yeah yeah yeah, we all know the Gulf petromonarchies are thundering assholes on a national scale, but that doesn't excuse us refusing to take in people in need.

What would excuse us darth, the homeless problem our country has. Or how about children going hungery. Or the how many other numerous problems our country has. All that money we are spending on refugee could be going back to our own people. You want to stand on high morale ground saying its our duty to help refugees, but say fuck off to people that are actually citizens.
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What would excuse us darth, the homeless problem our country has. Or how about children going hungery.
And exactly how many homeless people have you housed? How many starving children have you fed? I'm certain, that like all hypocrites, your answer is "zero".
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What would excuse us darth, the homeless problem our country has. Or how about children going hungery.
And exactly how many homeless people have you housed? How many starving children have you fed? I'm certain, that like all hypocrites, your answer is "zero".

How is my statement hypocritical. We are talking about government assistance. So I do believe once again your logic has failed you.

But to answer your question thru out the years I have employeed many people down on their luck. I have donated food, gifts and money to different charties that help children. I have paid my taxes that goes to help fund welefare ect ect.
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What would excuse us darth, the homeless problem our country has. Or how about children going hungery.
And exactly how many homeless people have you housed? How many starving children have you fed? I'm certain, that like all hypocrites, your answer is "zero".
Hell, never mind what he's done personally, how much does he think the government should do to help the hungry and homeless, and how much should his taxes be raised to help them out?
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And exactly how many homeless people have you housed? How many starving children have you fed? I'm certain, that like all hypocrites, your answer is "zero".
How many refugees have you sponsored, personally?
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Hell, never mind what he's done personally, how much does he think the government should do to help the hungry and homeless, and how much should his taxes be raised to help them out?
Why should his taxes be raised?
Why not divert money that goes to other countries to your own problems?
While we're in fairyland, how about cutting wasted spending in government? You have enough money to fix the problem. You just spend it unwisely.
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And exactly how many homeless people have you housed? How many starving children have you fed? I'm certain, that like all hypocrites, your answer is "zero".
Hell, never mind what he's done personally, how much does he think the government should do to help the hungry and homeless, and how much should his taxes be raised to help them out?
Answer: nothing, and nothing. This is Dart, after all.
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Hell, never mind what he's done personally, how much does he think the government should do to help the hungry and homeless, and how much should his taxes be raised to help them out?
Why should his taxes be raised?
Why not divert money that goes to other countries to your own problems?
While we're in fairyland, how about cutting wasted spending in government? You have enough money to fix the problem. You just spend it unwisely.
1. Outside of military procurement/maintenance, which would be near-impossible to cut barring a state of total war, or penny-shaving from grants, which just isn't worth going after, we really don't have as much waste as you'd think.
2. That's my litmus test for whether a conservative actually cares about their cause. If they're willing to stand up and say "We should do this" and then freak out or duck the question when asked how it'll be funded, they probably don't really care that much and are just trying to deflect. If they're willing to take the brave stance that it should be funded by cutting funding for other people, they might care. If they're actually willing to pay higher taxes so their cause will happen, they mean it.

E: It probably wouldn't cost near as much as dart fears to do a helluva lot of good for our needy citizens, and we can almost certainly make some major headway just by trimming some fat from other projects and taking a firm hand with LockMart. Still, if dart isn't willing to chip in to pay for this, how sincere can he really be?
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We have lots of waste. But, you have an attitude of "just print more money" and think we can just pay for any and everything. Which tells me that you've never been in a position to have to deal with a budget in your workplace. Or, you seem to think, "Fuck it, it is the government, they literally make the money".

If it were as simple as you say, don't you think someone would have done it by now? Just put the printing presses into hyperdrive printing trillions and trillions and just start shoveling it out the door to pay for everything. There we go! We just paid cash money to pave all the roads in America and build all new bridges! Boom! That was easy. Oh, here ya go China, here's the $1.2 trillion we owe you. Bam! We're square!


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Why not divert money that goes to other countries to your own problems?
While we're in fairyland, how about cutting wasted spending in government? You have enough money to fix the problem. You just spend it unwisely.
1. Outside of military procurement/maintenance, which would be near-impossible to cut barring a state of total war, or penny-shaving from grants, which just isn't worth going after, we really don't have as much waste as you'd think.
2. That's my litmus test for whether a conservative actually cares about their cause. If they're willing to stand up and say "We should do this" and then freak out or duck the question when asked how it'll be funded, they probably don't really care that much and are just trying to deflect. If they're willing to take the brave stance that it should be funded by cutting funding for other people, they might care. If they're actually willing to pay higher taxes so their cause will happen, they mean it.

E: It probably wouldn't cost near as much as dart fears to do a helluva lot of good for our needy citizens, and we can almost certainly make some major headway just by trimming some fat from other projects and taking a firm hand with LockMart. Still, if dart isn't willing to chip in to pay for this, how sincere can he really be?
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If it were as simple as you say, don't you think someone would have done it by now? Just put the printing presses into hyperdrive printing trillions and trillions and just start shoveling it out the door to pay for everything. There we go! We just paid cash money to pave all the roads in America and build all new bridges! Boom! That was easy. Oh, here ya go China, here's the $1.2 trillion we owe you. Bam! We're square!
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1. Outside of military procurement/maintenance, which would be near-impossible to cut barring a state of total war, or penny-shaving from grants, which just isn't worth going after, we really don't have as much waste as you'd think.
2. That's my litmus test for whether a conservative actually cares about their cause. If they're willing to stand up and say "We should do this" and then freak out or duck the question when asked how it'll be funded, they probably don't really care that much and are just trying to deflect. If they're willing to take the brave stance that it should be funded by cutting funding for other people, they might care. If they're actually willing to pay higher taxes so their cause will happen, they mean it.

E: It probably wouldn't cost near as much as dart fears to do a helluva lot of good for our needy citizens, and we can almost certainly make some major headway just by trimming some fat from other projects and taking a firm hand with LockMart. Still, if dart isn't willing to chip in to pay for this, how sincere can he really be?
Bud, howzabout you read the entirety of that post, rather than fixating on one tangential point and making yourself look even more like a single-minded moron?
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Answer: nothing, and nothing. This is Dart, after all.

Haha. My employing of people I really didn't need and my donations to charity have helped a hell of a lot more than the one person you helped.
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Why not divert money that goes to other countries to your own problems?
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2. That's my litmus test for whether a conservative actually cares about their cause. If they're willing to stand up and say "We should do this" and then freak out or duck the question when asked how it'll be funded, they probably don't really care that much and are just trying to deflect. If they're willing to take the brave stance that it should be funded by cutting funding for other people, they might care. If they're actually willing to pay higher taxes so their cause will happen, they mean it.

E: It probably wouldn't cost near as much as dart fears to do a helluva lot of good for our needy citizens, and we can almost certainly make some major headway just by trimming some fat from other projects and taking a firm hand with LockMart. Still, if dart isn't willing to chip in to pay for this, how sincere can he really be?


I'm glad to chip in, as I said above I have. I'm against raising taxes because that money is not going to homeless people. If the welefare system was fixed and say certain people were unable to lie about household income in order to get food stamps I would be more willing to raise taxes to fund certain people.

Its really funny that you say I'm not willing to chip in. I pay so many god dam taxes if you had to pay them it would baffle you. I pay personal property tax, I pay business property tax, I'm in the 30 to 40% range on income taxes because I'm a business. When I had employees I paid taxes on all of them. So don't tell me I haven't chipped in. When your sitting back and at best paying 20% on your income tax.

And simply since I know your answer is tax the rich, it simply doesn't work. The rich look at their end result not their gross. So you got a ceo making a million dollars and you run their taxes up to 70% their going to ask for a pay cut, to bring them down a tax bracket so they end up with more money at the end.

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1. Outside of military procurement/maintenance, which would be near-impossible to cut barring a state of total war, or penny-shaving from grants, which just isn't worth going after, we really don't have as much waste as you'd think.
2. That's my litmus test for whether a conservative actually cares about their cause. If they're willing to stand up and say "We should do this" and then freak out or duck the question when asked how it'll be funded, they probably don't really care that much and are just trying to deflect. If they're willing to take the brave stance that it should be funded by cutting funding for other people, they might care. If they're actually willing to pay higher taxes so their cause will happen, they mean it.

E: It probably wouldn't cost near as much as dart fears to do a helluva lot of good for our needy citizens, and we can almost certainly make some major headway just by trimming some fat from other projects and taking a firm hand with LockMart. Still, if dart isn't willing to chip in to pay for this, how sincere can he really be?


I'm glad to chip in, as I said above I have. I'm against raising taxes because that money is not going to homeless people. If the welefare system was fixed and say certain people were unable to lie about household income in order to get food stamps I would be more willing to raise taxes to fund certain people.

Its really funny that you say I'm not willing to chip in. I pay so many god dam taxes if you had to pay them it would baffle you. I pay personal property tax, I pay business property tax, I'm in the 30 to 40% range on income taxes because I'm a business. When I had employees I paid taxes on all of them. So don't tell me I haven't chipped in. When your sitting back and at best paying 20% on your income tax.

And simply since I know your answer is tax the rich, it simply doesn't work. The rich look at their end result not their gross. So you got a ceo making a million dollars and you run their taxes up to 70% their going to ask for a pay cut, to bring them down a tax bracket so they end up with more money at the end.
You could have just stopped at "Yes, actually, I would be willing to pay taxes to help America's homeless", rather than continuing on with a chip on your shoulder and telling us all you don't understand how taxes work.
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... The rich look at their end result not their gross. So you got a ceo making a million dollars and you run their taxes up to 70% their going to ask for a pay cut, to bring them down a tax bracket so they end up with more money at the end.
Your ignorance of how tax brackets work is exceeded only by your ignorance of..... well ..... just about anything else.
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The "tangential" point that you seem to think we can just print money to pay for stuff is a pretty big deal.

We have tons of waste in our government that can be cut.

And, we have real problems here in America that need to be fixed before committing billions to invite in endless immigrants from shitty third world countries. Other countries in the world can and should step up and take them. And, many have in Western Europe.

Other countries could help more rather than constantly turning to America.

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We have lots of waste. But, you have an attitude of "just print more money" and think we can just pay for any and everything. Which tells me that you've never been in a position to have to deal with a budget in your workplace. Or, you seem to think, "Fuck it, it is the government, they literally make the money".

If it were as simple as you say, don't you think someone would have done it by now? Just put the printing presses into hyperdrive printing trillions and trillions and just start shoveling it out the door to pay for everything. There we go! We just paid cash money to pave all the roads in America and build all new bridges! Boom! That was easy. Oh, here ya go China, here's the $1.2 trillion we owe you. Bam! We're square!
Bud, howzabout you read the entirety of that post, rather than fixating on one tangential point and making yourself look even more like a single-minded moron?
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The "tangential" point that you seem to think we can just print money to pay for stuff is a pretty big deal.
That's not even tangential to the post you were responding to, it is absolutely irrelevant.
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Considering we have a mostly-functional government and have had Republicans demanding budget cuts for the past 30 years, there can't possibly be as much waste as you'd think, apart from what I mentioned previously.
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Other countries could help more rather than constantly turning to America
Turkey, Lebanon, Egypt, and Jordan have taken in 5 million refugees, while last I heard the US was planning to take in on the order of 80,000 refugees from all sources. They are stepping up, we're just taking on a small part of the burden.

However, you are correct, we do have a lot of problems here in the States, that we do need to fix, but it's going to cost more than we're currently spending on refugees and cuttable waste to fix those problems. So, same question I asked dart, how much are you willing to pay in higher taxes to fix our problems?
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