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Old 03-28-2017, 02:00 PM   #41
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I guess we will see what happens in the SCOTUS. It is not a backdoor Muslim ban. Nothing in the EO states as such. The judges, quite wrongly, are not reading the EO as written. They are psychoanalyzing Pres Trump in order to rule against it. From the right wing kook, Alan Dershowitz, no less.
If you actually read the decision, you'd see that the court didn't base their ruling on the text of the EO, they based it on other statements made by the President, like a call to ban all Muslims traveling to the US.
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I guess we will see what happens in the SCOTUS. It is not a backdoor Muslim ban. Nothing in the EO states as such. The judges, quite wrongly, are not reading the EO as written. They are psychoanalyzing Pres Trump in order to rule against it. From the right wing kook, Alan Dershowitz, no less.
If you actually read the decision, you'd see that the court didn't base their ruling on the text of the EO, they based it on other statements made by the President, like a call to ban all Muslims traveling to the US.

You do realize you have effectively null and voided your argument. The EO is not a muslim ban, but because trump at one time said he wanted a muslim ban, you are trying to make the law into something it is not, to satisfy your moral high ground.
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Which is exactly why Alan Dershowitz says it is likely to get passed the SCOTUS.

They are psychoanalyzing Trump's campaign statements rather than interpreting the EO as written.

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I guess we will see what happens in the SCOTUS. It is not a backdoor Muslim ban. Nothing in the EO states as such. The judges, quite wrongly, are not reading the EO as written. They are psychoanalyzing Pres Trump in order to rule against it. From the right wing kook, Alan Dershowitz, no less.
If you actually read the decision, you'd see that the court didn't base their ruling on the text of the EO, they based it on other statements made by the President, like a call to ban all Muslims traveling to the US.
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Who vets them cocksuckers that sneak across the southern border.

For you Leftist pukes, stay away from the Christian/religious argument, just makes you look stupid.
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Nobody, but we aren't allowed to talk about them apparently. Otherwise, we are racist Nazis.

But, as I watch this illegal immigration debate I want to ask a simple question: Why is it so much to ask that people follow the laws? We can still have immigration and can still be welcoming. But, we cannot have an open border and come one, come all free for all. Why is it racist to say that we can't just let everyone in?

I have no issues with Hispanic illegal immigrants - other than they've here illegally. In my area, most are law biding, hard working people. Sure, a minority get involved in drugs, sex trafficking but the vast majority are good, hard working people. Notice I've said "hard working" people twice? Because they are. I think they'd be great additions to our citizenry.

But, we have laws. And, they need to follow the immigration laws. We can/should take legal immigrants from Mexico and South America. Ditto for other places in the world. We just need to have laws and policies that are followed. Not a free for all.

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Nobody, but we aren't allowed to talk about them apparently. Otherwise, we are racist Nazis.

But, as I watch this illegal immigration debate I want to ask a simple question: Why is it so much to ask that people follow the laws? We can still have immigration and can still be welcoming. But, we cannot have an open border and come one, come all free for all. Why is it racist to say that we can't just let everyone in?

I have no issues with Hispanic illegal immigrants - other than they've here illegally. In my area, most are law biding, hard working people. Sure, a minority get involved in drugs, sex trafficking but the vast majority are good, hard working people. Notice I've said "hard working" people twice? Because they are. I think they'd be great additions to our citizenry.

But, we have laws. And, they need to follow the immigration laws. We can/should take legal immigrants from Mexico and South America. Ditto for other places in the world. We just need to have laws and policies that are followed. Not a free for all.

What is so hard about that?



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Who vets them cocksuckers that sneak across the southern border.

For you Leftist pukes, stay away from the Christian/religious argument, just makes you look stupid.

As of right now it is so hard to follow the laws because liberals have built in a fail safe for the illegals if we do enforce the laws. They have made welefare so easy to get, and has it paying well enough that their is no motivation to go out and bust your ass on seasonal work. So we end up with the great argument of jobs that americans are not willing to do. So even the people wanting to and willing to enforce the laws cave under the pressure, of the seasonal work not getting done.
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And the laws should reflect the need for seasonal work.
No charity for you if you are capable of doing seasonal work and the work is available.
Good luck getting that past and sitting government.
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Who vets them cocksuckers that sneak across the southern border.

For you Leftist pukes, stay away from the Christian/religious argument, just makes you look stupid.
ICE, actually, for a shockingly large number of them.
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Who vets them cocksuckers that sneak across the southern border.

For you Leftist pukes, stay away from the Christian/religious argument, just makes you look stupid.
ICE, actually, for a shockingly large number of them.

40% is not a shockingly large number, 90% would be, considering the other 55-60% just strolled across the border with no vetting at all
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For you Leftist pukes, stay away from the Christian/religious argument, just makes you look stupid.
ICE, actually, for a shockingly large number of them.


When did 40% become a large number. Thats less than half.
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40% is not a shockingly large number, 90% would be, considering the other 55-60% just strolled across the border with no vetting at all
It is shockingly large when you expect that number to be 0. Or were you really expecting a bit under half of illegal immigrants to have been approved for entry?
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40% is not a shockingly large number, 90% would be, considering the other 55-60% just strolled across the border with no vetting at all
It is shockingly large when you expect that number to be 0. Or were you really expecting a bit under half of illegal immigrants to have been approved for entry?

Who was expecting the number to be 0? It sounds like you were darth. You thought you found a diamond in the ruff with this article. In reality it shows you don't really know what your talking about when it comes to immigration. Work visa that don't return to mexico after the seasonal work is over I would have expected to come to that number. This just shows your spouting the left wing whining and don't really have any real vested intrest other than to say your doing a good thing by supporting illegals.
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I am in a unique situation. I was born on an Indian reservation. My father 100% Native American. My mother, on the other hand, immigrated to the United States.

Every race, every religion, every country, every occupation has bad people. As a Native American we could call most 'Americans' the immigrants. As the child of an immigrant, I am grateful for the opportunities provided to our family in the United States. Our country is such a melting pot now that it's nearly impossible to not be impacted by these changes.

All that I do know is that since Trump's actions and inactions there appears to be much more of a divide happening in America. I believe the safety concerns we face today are valid, however, I also hate seeing individuals who pay their taxes, work hard, provide for their families etc being caught in the crossfire.

This is a difficult situation to balance for ANY political leader. These processes are new but don't appear to be thought through. I wonder where we will be on the issue a year from now ...
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For you Leftist pukes, stay away from the Christian/religious argument, just makes you look stupid.
ICE, actually, for a shockingly large number of them.

Key word here is "SNEAK"

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