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Old 03-16-2017, 01:18 PM   #1
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If you can't see the logic behind the question no-one can explain it to you. The failure indicates you have a moral blind spot, eager to seem to do good, no matter how much harm it may cause.
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Why does that matter?
If you can't see the logic behind the question no-one can explain it to you.
If you knew how to read English, you wouldn't have made such a stupid response.

I never said I couldn't see the logic behind the statement. I fully recognize that there are morons in this world (such as yourself) who think this is acceptable logic. (It isn't.)

My question still stands: "Why does that matter?" Try actually answering the question, if you can ever figure out what it means.
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Oh, I don't know. To put things in perspective maybe?

Of course, most Muslim majority nations wouldn't accept Christian refugees.

Why do you ask why it matters?

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If you can't see the logic behind the question no-one can explain it to you.
If you knew how to read English, you wouldn't have made such a stupid response.

I never said I couldn't see the logic behind the statement. I fully recognize that there are morons in this world (such as yourself) who think this is acceptable logic. (It isn't.)

My question still stands: "Why does that matter?" Try actually answering the question, if you can ever figure out what it means.
Asking why does that matter shows that you think it doesn't.
You feel that what other countries do shouldn't affect what we do.
In part, you are correct. The trouble is, the Islam countries know that there is a societal difference between Islam and Christian cultures and will not willingly import problems. Sunni and Shi'ite would probably be reluctant to accept sects of Islam to which they don't subscribe, knowing the conflict that would follow.

Why it matters is that there is a thought stream in Western culture that feels we should ignore societal differences, willing accepting people from societies that will clash with ours, pointing out that by letting these people in we are doing the right thing. The point is, the right thing for who? The refugees or our own citizens.
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You really need to ask that. If their unwilling to accept christians there, why would they suddenly change their mind when they come to this country. So there in lies the problem we bring in a bunch of people that hate christians, there is going to be all kinds of havoc break loose.
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If you can't see the logic behind the question no-one can explain it to you.
If you knew how to read English, you wouldn't have made such a stupid response.

I never said I couldn't see the logic behind the statement. I fully recognize that there are morons in this world (such as yourself) who think this is acceptable logic. (It isn't.)

My question still stands: "Why does that matter?" Try actually answering the question, if you can ever figure out what it means.

Why add personal attacks to discussions?
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If you knew how to read English, you wouldn't have made such a stupid response.

I never said I couldn't see the logic behind the statement. I fully recognize that there are morons in this world (such as yourself) who think this is acceptable logic. (It isn't.)

My question still stands: "Why does that matter?" Try actually answering the question, if you can ever figure out what it means.
Asking why does that matter shows that you think it doesn't.
You feel that what other countries do shouldn't affect what we do.
In part, you are correct. The trouble is, the Islam countries know that there is a societal difference between Islam and Christian cultures and will not willingly import problems. Sunni and Shi'ite would probably be reluctant to accept sects of Islam to which they don't subscribe, knowing the conflict that would follow.
Personally I'd have just said that many Muslim countries are, or are run by, thundering assholes. Much simpler, and doesn't carry the weight of quasi-moralizing that your explanation does.
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Both, depending on which definition of right you use. It's beneficial for the refugees to be taken in and given aid, and moral for us to take them in and give them aid.
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My question still stands: "Why does that matter?" Try actually answering the question, if you can ever figure out what it means.

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Personally I'd have just said that many Muslim countries are, or are run by, thundering assholes. Much simpler, and doesn't carry the weight of quasi-moralizing that your explanation does.

Easy to say but doesn't address the actual issue. Thundering assholes or not, they know enough to not want to mix disparate cultures.

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Both, depending on which definition of right you use. It's beneficial for the refugees to be taken in and given aid, and moral for us to take them in and give them aid.
Why is it beneficial to take these refugees and put them in a foreign country with a society completely different to theirs where they need skill sets that they do not have? Wouldn't it be more beneficial to support them in aid camps for the short term so that they could return to their own country/society when things settle down? Doing things that way would also mean that our foreign aid would stretch a lot further, helping a lot more people.

Being moral does not equate to doing the right thing. Too many people want to do the moral thing because it makes them feel good, not because it's actually doing good.

Have you considered Australia's laws on boat people? Current policy is to turn the boats around and send them back where they came from. The result of this policy is no more boats are coming. The previous government had a more moral stance. Boasts were escorted to Australia and the refugees processed here. This moral stance encouraged the boat people and more came. Over 1,200 confirmed deaths at sea under this nice moral policy. Queried about the deaths, one of the defenders of this moral policy said they were irrelevant. The refugees knew the risk. So it's moral to lure people to their death because it's their choice, and we feel so good about being nice to the refugees.

Stop being so moral and start being more pragmatic. What is the best solution to a problem. Not what is the moral solution, a solution that is all too easily a fatal choice.

Moral policy on boats - 1200 corpses floating on the sea, and that's just the ones we counted.
Pragmatic policy - zero corpses floating on the sea and the refugees can still enter via the authorized refugee programs.
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Personally I'd have just said that many Muslim countries are, or are run by, thundering assholes. Much simpler, and doesn't carry the weight of quasi-moralizing that your explanation does.

Easy to say but doesn't address the actual issue. Thundering assholes or not, they know enough to not want to mix disparate cultures.

Both, depending on which definition of right you use. It's beneficial for the refugees to be taken in and given aid, and moral for us to take them in and give them aid.
Why is it beneficial to take these refugees and put them in a foreign country with a society completely different to theirs where they need skill sets that they do not have? Wouldn't it be more beneficial to support them in aid camps for the short term so that they could return to their own country/society when things settle down? Doing things that way would also mean that our foreign aid would stretch a lot further, helping a lot more people.
That is honestly debatable, but I'm still going to come down on the option that gets them out of a wartorn country. Also, I'm a little dubious of your suggestion that we should support them in the refugee camps in-country, because I've got a sneaking suspicion that you'd then argue against sending them money because we've got homeless veteran puppies here that need our aid more.
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I didn't say it was wise, I just said it was moral.
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You feel that what other countries do shouldn't affect what we do.
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Why does that matter?
If their unwilling to accept christians there, why would they suddenly change their mind when they come to this country.
You are assuming that the refugees who come here are of the same bent as the people who run their government. All of the disharmony surrounding our own so-called President should show you that people here disagree with our own government. Why should we assume that refugees, who are fleeing the persecution imposed upon them by their own government, would come here and foist that same persecution on the very people who rescued them? That kind of reasoning is foolish, at best.

I think you have become so inured to the freedoms and benefits we possess simply by being born in this country that you don't recognize them any more. It's time you realized that people come to this country specifically to earn the freedoms you disregard. The refugees who immigrate here will not openly hate Christians. They will, instead, be thankful for the freedoms you discount.
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