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Old 03-04-2017, 09:29 PM   #21
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A fucking lie, right to your face, except you don't care, as long as his dick is in your mouth.

Fucking idiot.

What was it when Republicans claimed that the ACA was going to have death panels? What was it when Republicans claimed that the ACA was socialism, despite it being a more capitalistic solution to universal healthcare than even Nixon's proposal?

What was it when, after 7 years of saying they needed Congress AND the presidency to repeal it, they still haven't done so? What was it when after 7 years of time, they still don't have a plan in place?

But hey, it's "your team," so you're willing to overlook all of their deception. How smart of you.

I'm not sure how you can claim something your forced to buy is captalistic, but hey whatever.

And gee it took obama 7 months to the aca togther, and everyone said it was rushed and pushed thru and not thought out. So now trump is at just over a month and your going to sit there and chant trump has not done anything.
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Obamacare did nothing to make health care costs go down. While the costs were always going up, Obamacare made it go up even more. I know way too many people that are paying a shit ton more for a lot less coverage. Great, you have healthcare under Obamacare, congrats. That's the good news. The bad news is that it is so expensive you can't afford to go to the new doctor you had to get because you couldn't keep your old doctor.

Don't ask me how the GOP can "fix" it? I'm not a sycophant like Shuguy. I realize that there aren't easy answers to making healthcare costs go down. Some of what they propose may work. But, it also might not work.

Personally, I'd like to see them come up with a way to make any medical expense completely tax deductible. You owe the government $28,000 in income taxes at the end of the year and your normal refund might be $8,000, after your normal deductions, for example. Lets say you had $10,000 in medical expenses then your refund should be $18,000.

Maybe phase that out for people making more than x amount a year. With x being well over $100,000 a year.

That still doesn't make health care cheaper. But, it lessens the burden on people.




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What was it when Republicans claimed that the ACA was going to have death panels? What was it when Republicans claimed that the ACA was socialism, despite it being a more capitalistic solution to universal healthcare than even Nixon's proposal?

What was it when, after 7 years of saying they needed Congress AND the presidency to repeal it, they still haven't done so? What was it when after 7 years of time, they still don't have a plan in place?

But hey, it's "your team," so you're willing to overlook all of their deception. How smart of you.

I have friends who pay 600 bucks a month with a 5K deductible. I also have a friend who can't get the discount because she makes 15 an hour, with 2 kids, and makes too much money.

You wanna tout all the liver transplants and shit like that, but what..those are 1 in a million? Oh but it saved my life and fuck you if you can't afford it or don't qualify.

You can keep your Doctor and plan

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What was it when Republicans claimed that the ACA was going to have death panels? What was it when Republicans claimed that the ACA was socialism, despite it being a more capitalistic solution to universal healthcare than even Nixon's proposal?

What was it when, after 7 years of saying they needed Congress AND the presidency to repeal it, they still haven't done so? What was it when after 7 years of time, they still don't have a plan in place?

But hey, it's "your team," so you're willing to overlook all of their deception. How smart of you.

I'm not sure how you can claim something your forced to buy is captalistic, but hey whatever.

And gee it took obama 7 months to the aca togther, and everyone said it was rushed and pushed thru and not thought out. So now trump is at just over a month and your going to sit there and chant trump has not done anything.

Repeat after me: Republicans have had SEVEN years to come up with an alternative, not a month. And they've got nothing.

(And you still don't know what socialism means)
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... Personally, I'd like to see them come up with a way to make any medical expense completely tax deductible. You owe the government $28,000 in income taxes at the end of the year and your normal refund might be $8,000, after your normal deductions, for example. Lets say you had $10,000 in medical expenses then your refund should be $18,000.

Maybe phase that out for people making more than x amount a year. With x being well over $100,000 a year.

That still doesn't make health care cheaper. But, it lessens the burden on people.
Wow, I didn't expect to see that from a conservative. That scenario would mean that the government is paying all your medical expenses since you get the full $10,000 back as a tax credit. And, BTW, what you describe is a tax credit, not a tax deduction. Would you make it a refundable tax credit?
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I'm not sure how you can claim something your forced to buy is captalistic, but hey whatever.

And gee it took obama 7 months to the aca togther, and everyone said it was rushed and pushed thru and not thought out. So now trump is at just over a month and your going to sit there and chant trump has not done anything.

Repeat after me: Republicans have had SEVEN years to come up with an alternative, not a month. And they've got nothing.

(And you still don't know what socialism means)


What your point. Trueman proposed national health care back in 1945 so it took democrats 63 years to come up with a plan.

Or more simply until repealing obama care was reality, no one knew who would be working with who. So how would republicans work on a plan when they had no clue who would be president, and what is ideals on repelacing it would be. Saying they had seven years is a way of screaming hate and anger just to purely hate.

Who said anything about socialism, Nice try on the deflection and avoiding the fact that forcing people to buy a product is not capatialstic.
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I might not have used the right terms. But, I'd like to make every dollar you spend on healthcare come right off your tax bill.

For simple math, lets say you make $50k a year and your income tax burden (after mortgage deduction and what not) is $10k. I may not be 100% correct but I think currently you can only claim medical expenses if they are a certain percentage of your income. I want to say like 7-8%. But, I could be completely wrong. I just know you can spend thousands in medical bills and not be able to get a tax break.

So, anyway, with a tax bill of $10k... Lets say you have medical bills of $6k. Now your tax bill is $4k.

Like I said earlier, that would be phased out for people that can afford to spend $6k on medical bills. Defining that group would be tricky. I don't think people making several hundred thousand dollars a year should get that credit/deduction/refund or whatever. They can afford it. But, where to draw the line on where to start phasing it out? Not sure.

Also, what would the GAO say a plan like this would do to how much the government takes in for income taxes? Not sure.


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... Personally, I'd like to see them come up with a way to make any medical expense completely tax deductible. You owe the government $28,000 in income taxes at the end of the year and your normal refund might be $8,000, after your normal deductions, for example. Lets say you had $10,000 in medical expenses then your refund should be $18,000.

Maybe phase that out for people making more than x amount a year. With x being well over $100,000 a year.

That still doesn't make health care cheaper. But, it lessens the burden on people.
Wow, I didn't expect to see that from a conservative. That scenario would mean that the government is paying all your medical expenses since you get the full $10,000 back as a tax credit. And, BTW, what you describe is a tax credit, not a tax deduction. Would you make it a refundable tax credit?
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I might not have used the right terms. But, I'd like to make every dollar you spend on healthcare come right off your tax bill.

For simple math, lets say you make $50k a year and your income tax burden (after mortgage deduction and what not) is $10k. I may not be 100% correct but I think currently you can only claim medical expenses if they are a certain percentage of your income. I want to say like 7-8%. But, I could be completely wrong. I just know you can spend thousands in medical bills and not be able to get a tax break.

So, anyway, with a tax bill of $10k... Lets say you have medical bills of $6k. Now your tax bill is $4k.

Like I said earlier, that would be phased out for people that can afford to spend $6k on medical bills. Defining that group would be tricky. I don't think people making several hundred thousand dollars a year should get that credit/deduction/refund or whatever. They can afford it. But, where to draw the line on where to start phasing it out? Not sure.

Also, what would the GAO say a plan like this would do to how much the government takes in for income taxes? Not sure.


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Wow, I didn't expect to see that from a conservative. That scenario would mean that the government is paying all your medical expenses since you get the full $10,000 back as a tax credit. And, BTW, what you describe is a tax credit, not a tax deduction. Would you make it a refundable tax credit?


That idea, where i can see where your trying to go, would be a night mare. Simply because medical bill vary so much you run into a guy making 30k and he has 3k in medical it would put a strain on his budget but still doable. You have the guy making a 100k and he gets cancer he is looking at 250k in medical bills. That definetly would not be doable. The only way of keep ing it fair is doing a pool. Which still doesn't work out fair, but at least then an individual is not being punished, money wise.
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I might not have used the right terms. But, I'd like to make every dollar you spend on healthcare come right off your tax bill.

For simple math, lets say you make $50k a year and your income tax burden (after mortgage deduction and what not) is $10k. I may not be 100% correct but I think currently you can only claim medical expenses if they are a certain percentage of your income. I want to say like 7-8%. But, I could be completely wrong. I just know you can spend thousands in medical bills and not be able to get a tax break.

So, anyway, with a tax bill of $10k... Lets say you have medical bills of $6k. Now your tax bill is $4k.

Like I said earlier, that would be phased out for people that can afford to spend $6k on medical bills. Defining that group would be tricky. I don't think people making several hundred thousand dollars a year should get that credit/deduction/refund or whatever. They can afford it. But, where to draw the line on where to start phasing it out? Not sure.

Also, what would the GAO say a plan like this would do to how much the government takes in for income taxes? Not sure.
As it stands now you get a tax deduction for expenses that exceed 10% of AGI (7.5% if over 65). So a couple with $50K income and $10K medical expenses gets a deduction of $5k (expenses less 10% of income) and that reduces their tax bill by $750 (yup, only seven hundred and fifty dollars). Intuition tells me that under your proposal the feds would be paying, through this tax credit, most of the medical expenses for most of the country. I don't think that's anywhere near affordable to the country, but ...eh - it's not gonna happen; neither republicans nor democrats would go for it.

If something like that were to be enacted I think that there would have to be limitations on the type of medical expenses. I don't want the government paying for the boob jobs for the dancers at the Itchy Kitty.
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Maybe it would pay for yeast infection meds for them? LOL

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I might not have used the right terms. But, I'd like to make every dollar you spend on healthcare come right off your tax bill.

For simple math, lets say you make $50k a year and your income tax burden (after mortgage deduction and what not) is $10k. I may not be 100% correct but I think currently you can only claim medical expenses if they are a certain percentage of your income. I want to say like 7-8%. But, I could be completely wrong. I just know you can spend thousands in medical bills and not be able to get a tax break.

So, anyway, with a tax bill of $10k... Lets say you have medical bills of $6k. Now your tax bill is $4k.

Like I said earlier, that would be phased out for people that can afford to spend $6k on medical bills. Defining that group would be tricky. I don't think people making several hundred thousand dollars a year should get that credit/deduction/refund or whatever. They can afford it. But, where to draw the line on where to start phasing it out? Not sure.

Also, what would the GAO say a plan like this would do to how much the government takes in for income taxes? Not sure.
As it stands now you get a tax deduction for expenses that exceed 10% of AGI (7.5% if over 65). So a couple with $50K income and $10K medical expenses gets a deduction of $5k (expenses less 10% of income) and that reduces their tax bill by $750 (yup, only seven hundred and fifty dollars). Intuition tells me that under your proposal the feds would be paying, through this tax credit, most of the medical expenses for most of the country. I don't think that's anywhere near affordable to the country, but ...eh - it's not gonna happen; neither republicans nor democrats would go for it.

If something like that were to be enacted I think that there would have to be limitations on the type of medical expenses. I don't want the government paying for the boob jobs for the dancers at the Itchy Kitty.
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Yeah, it would basically mean, the government is paying for our health care. Which, really, is what the honest Democrats want in the end. So, they can't really argue too much about it.

The GOP would never go for it because blah, blah, blah, you gotta take responsibility for yourself.

But, clearly something needs to be done. Health costs are too much for the average person with healthcare needs.

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I might not have used the right terms. But, I'd like to make every dollar you spend on healthcare come right off your tax bill.

For simple math, lets say you make $50k a year and your income tax burden (after mortgage deduction and what not) is $10k. I may not be 100% correct but I think currently you can only claim medical expenses if they are a certain percentage of your income. I want to say like 7-8%. But, I could be completely wrong. I just know you can spend thousands in medical bills and not be able to get a tax break.

So, anyway, with a tax bill of $10k... Lets say you have medical bills of $6k. Now your tax bill is $4k.

Like I said earlier, that would be phased out for people that can afford to spend $6k on medical bills. Defining that group would be tricky. I don't think people making several hundred thousand dollars a year should get that credit/deduction/refund or whatever. They can afford it. But, where to draw the line on where to start phasing it out? Not sure.

Also, what would the GAO say a plan like this would do to how much the government takes in for income taxes? Not sure.
As it stands now you get a tax deduction for expenses that exceed 10% of AGI (7.5% if over 65). So a couple with $50K income and $10K medical expenses gets a deduction of $5k (expenses less 10% of income) and that reduces their tax bill by $750 (yup, only seven hundred and fifty dollars). Intuition tells me that under your proposal the feds would be paying, through this tax credit, most of the medical expenses for most of the country. I don't think that's anywhere near affordable to the country, but ...eh - it's not gonna happen; neither republicans nor democrats would go for it.

If something like that were to be enacted I think that there would have to be limitations on the type of medical expenses. I don't want the government paying for the boob jobs for the dancers at the Itchy Kitty.
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I might not have used the right terms. But, I'd like to make every dollar you spend on healthcare come right off your tax bill.

For simple math, lets say you make $50k a year and your income tax burden (after mortgage deduction and what not) is $10k. I may not be 100% correct but I think currently you can only claim medical expenses if they are a certain percentage of your income. I want to say like 7-8%. But, I could be completely wrong. I just know you can spend thousands in medical bills and not be able to get a tax break.

So, anyway, with a tax bill of $10k... Lets say you have medical bills of $6k. Now your tax bill is $4k.

Like I said earlier, that would be phased out for people that can afford to spend $6k on medical bills. Defining that group would be tricky. I don't think people making several hundred thousand dollars a year should get that credit/deduction/refund or whatever. They can afford it. But, where to draw the line on where to start phasing it out? Not sure.

Also, what would the GAO say a plan like this would do to how much the government takes in for income taxes? Not sure.
As it stands now you get a tax deduction for expenses that exceed 10% of AGI (7.5% if over 65). So a couple with $50K income and $10K medical expenses gets a deduction of $5k (expenses less 10% of income) and that reduces their tax bill by $750 (yup, only seven hundred and fifty dollars). Intuition tells me that under your proposal the feds would be paying, through this tax credit, most of the medical expenses for most of the country. I don't think that's anywhere near affordable to the country, but ...eh - it's not gonna happen; neither republicans nor democrats would go for it.

If something like that were to be enacted I think that there would have to be limitations on the type of medical expenses. I don't want the government paying for the boob jobs for the dancers at the Itchy Kitty.


Question on the boob jobs. Are you opposed to the boob jobs simply because they are stripper using them to make money. Or is it an overall thing. Say like if a woman has cancer and has to have a breast removed are you against reconstructive surgery. Or another example (I know of two woman that have done this) is mental health, woman claiming that sagging breast cause them depression, and mental stress. So they get boob jobs for mental wellness.

On a side note of this subject. I don't know about now, but when I was in college the goverment offered programs that would buy the tools we needed to advance our careers. So are you also opposed to boob jobs for strippers when it is used in that manner.
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Yeah, it would basically mean, the government is paying for our health care. Which, really, is what the honest Democrats want in the end. So, they can't really argue too much about it.

The GOP would never go for it because blah, blah, blah, you gotta take responsibility for yourself.

But, clearly something needs to be done. Health costs are too much for the average person with healthcare needs.

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As it stands now you get a tax deduction for expenses that exceed 10% of AGI (7.5% if over 65). So a couple with $50K income and $10K medical expenses gets a deduction of $5k (expenses less 10% of income) and that reduces their tax bill by $750 (yup, only seven hundred and fifty dollars). Intuition tells me that under your proposal the feds would be paying, through this tax credit, most of the medical expenses for most of the country. I don't think that's anywhere near affordable to the country, but ...eh - it's not gonna happen; neither republicans nor democrats would go for it.

If something like that were to be enacted I think that there would have to be limitations on the type of medical expenses. I don't want the government paying for the boob jobs for the dancers at the Itchy Kitty.

If there going to go for a full blown plan what they need to do is start with regulating, the medical industry. Paying two hundred dollars for an asiprin is beyond nuts. Or as in my own recent expereience, went to doctor, he order three x rays. The xrays cost 500 dollars. I then got sent to a specialist where they took 15 x rays for a cost of 200 dollars. So if a plan is to go forward that is where they need to start. Then the cost of medical treatmnet would come a lot closer to being within reach for the average person.
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I dont disagree with you. But, most insurance - even shitty plans dont allow for them to charge so much for x rays. They may try charging you $500 but the insurance company says, "yeah, um, no, here's $50" or whatever the negotiated charge is.

But, otherwise, yes, I get your point.

At least under my "plan" - whatever you paid in healthcare would get knocked off your tax bill.

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Yeah, it would basically mean, the government is paying for our health care. Which, really, is what the honest Democrats want in the end. So, they can't really argue too much about it.

The GOP would never go for it because blah, blah, blah, you gotta take responsibility for yourself.

But, clearly something needs to be done. Health costs are too much for the average person with healthcare needs.


If there going to go for a full blown plan what they need to do is start with regulating, the medical industry. Paying two hundred dollars for an asiprin is beyond nuts. Or as in my own recent expereience, went to doctor, he order three x rays. The xrays cost 500 dollars. I then got sent to a specialist where they took 15 x rays for a cost of 200 dollars. So if a plan is to go forward that is where they need to start. Then the cost of medical treatmnet would come a lot closer to being within reach for the average person.
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I dont disagree with you. But, most insurance - even shitty plans dont allow for them to charge so much for x rays. They may try charging you $500 but the insurance company says, "yeah, um, no, here's $50" or whatever the negotiated charge is.

But, otherwise, yes, I get your point.

At least under my "plan" - whatever you paid in healthcare would get knocked off your tax bill.

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If there going to go for a full blown plan what they need to do is start with regulating, the medical industry. Paying two hundred dollars for an asiprin is beyond nuts. Or as in my own recent expereience, went to doctor, he order three x rays. The xrays cost 500 dollars. I then got sent to a specialist where they took 15 x rays for a cost of 200 dollars. So if a plan is to go forward that is where they need to start. Then the cost of medical treatmnet would come a lot closer to being within reach for the average person.


But that is where part of the problem lies right now. Hospital says the charge is this much, insurance companies go now we will only pay this much, so the hospital runs the price up, to get what they initially wanted from the insurance company. So the begining needs to start with regualtion so we don't have to play this stupid game that makes prices skyrocket.
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I'm not sure how you can claim something your forced to buy is captalistic, but hey whatever.

And gee it took obama 7 months to the aca togther, and everyone said it was rushed and pushed thru and not thought out. So now trump is at just over a month and your going to sit there and chant trump has not done anything.

Repeat after me: Republicans have had SEVEN years to come up with an alternative, not a month. And they've got nothing.

(And you still don't know what socialism means)


So trump is president for a month and half, and a plan is released, that fast enough for you.
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Question on the boob jobs. Are you opposed to the boob jobs simply because they are stripper using them to make money. Or is it an overall thing. Say like if a woman has cancer and has to have a breast removed are you against reconstructive surgery. Or another example (I know of two woman that have done this) is mental health, woman claiming that sagging breast cause them depression, and mental stress. So they get boob jobs for mental wellness.

On a side note of this subject. I don't know about now, but when I was in college the goverment offered programs that would buy the tools we needed to advance our careers. So are you also opposed to boob jobs for strippers when it is used in that manner.
You got the point, you just want to argue... not going there today.
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Repeat after me: Republicans have had SEVEN years to come up with an alternative, not a month. And they've got nothing.

(And you still don't know what socialism means)


So trump is president for a month and half, and a plan is released, that fast enough for you.
Obamacare passed in 2010. Republicans immediately started talking about repeal and replace. They should have had a plan at least by 2012, not 2017.
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Question on the boob jobs. Are you opposed to the boob jobs simply because they are stripper using them to make money. Or is it an overall thing. Say like if a woman has cancer and has to have a breast removed are you against reconstructive surgery. Or another example (I know of two woman that have done this) is mental health, woman claiming that sagging breast cause them depression, and mental stress. So they get boob jobs for mental wellness.

On a side note of this subject. I don't know about now, but when I was in college the goverment offered programs that would buy the tools we needed to advance our careers. So are you also opposed to boob jobs for strippers when it is used in that manner.
You got the point, you just want to argue... not going there today.

I was just asking your opinion on it. Don't be so paranoid.
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So trump is president for a month and half, and a plan is released, that fast enough for you.
Obamacare passed in 2010. Republicans immediately started talking about repeal and replace. They should have had a plan at least by 2012, not 2017.

Since they didn't know who the key players would be when they had a chance to repeal it, that would be a little rough.
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So trump is president for a month and half, and a plan is released, that fast enough for you.
Obamacare passed in 2010. Republicans immediately started talking about repeal and replace. They should have had a plan at least by 2012, not 2017.

And actually if you want to go down this path obama started speaking of health care reform at least as far back as 04. So that gave him four years to come up with a plan. And if you want to take it another step obama care was based off of hillary care from 1993. So are you really going to sit their and whine that republicans should have had a plan formulated, especially when they did even know if they could get repealed, when the dems couldn't come up with a plan for all those years they tried.
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