Trayvon Martin - Page 28

sebrebc · 07-25-2012, 11:02 PM

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But that doesn't prove or disprove anything. Zimmerman was in his vehicle talking to dispatch when he stated that Martin took off, then you hear Zimmerman get out of his car and clearly hear that he is moving rather quickly. Dispatch asks Zimmerman where Martin went, Zimmerman follows the path to see where he went, dispatch realizes he is "following" advises him that they don't need him to "follow". This is all recorded and explains why Zimmerman was not at his vehicle. Then he continues to talk to dispatch and you can clearly hear he is no longer moving quickly (no sounds of wind). At this point Zimmerman has already rounded the front of the buildings and cut between the two of them towards the pathway where the confrontation took place. So Zimmerman continues that path back to his vehicle. If you look at the map it fits perfectly with what Zimmerman said.

Funny, but you have one explanation of the sounds or the lack of sound and you hold it as the correct version?

Of course I do, it's my opinion. I am not stating any part of my scenario is fact, it's my opinion as to what happened, based on evidence. When you listen to the 911 call you can hear the door chime to his vehicle as he opens the door and gets out. Then you can clearly hear what sounds like wind rushing past the mouth piece. Be it from the phone moving quickly through the air or the wind is blowing past him while he's stationary. Since he admits to following Martin, and the dispatcher recognizes the fact that he's moving, it all points to him moving. You can also hear what sounds like the phone is moving back and forth from his mouth, again as if he is walking fast or running. When he responds "Ok" you no longer hear all of these sounds. You can hear him more clearly, and the wind is dramatically reduced. It sounds like he stopped moving so quickly. Maybe he was slowly hunting Martin, I don't know. But the sounds fit the story Zimmerman gives.

No, but Martin was not acting as an employee, nor was he attending a legal event. He filmed and took part in watching kids beat the hell out of each other. Does it make him a violent criminal? No. But it does give insight into his culture and the culture he wanted to be a part of. Which is violence and how it solves issues. Want to solve a problem, beat the shit out of somebody. This wasn't a slap fight between two 12 year olds, it was a straight up fight and was instigated by Martin and his friends. Again, it speaks to his character. Taking a swing on a bus driver just shows that he doesn't give a shit about authority and has no problem "teaching someone a lesson" who disrespects him.

So, if this "fight club" was held in a dojo or in a boxing gym and we called it a "sparring session" it would be legal? Which happens all the time all over the world. So you're attributing bad character because they don't have money to put up a gym?
Funny, you seemed to be hooked on form but disregard the substance.

By that logic street racing is simply a healthy and safe activity that just happens to take place away from a track. Or a random shooting is nothing more than target practice that just isn't taking place at a shooting range. I mean seriously, that's your defense? They are good kids looking for healthy exercise but are poor and can't afford to build a gym? Come on. A Karate class/sparring match is a far cry from two kids beating the shit out of each other on the street while others stand around, cheer, taunt, and film to put on youtube for a kick. Again, it doesn't mean Martin is a future murderer....but it shows character.

I agree 100%. As I have always maintained, we don't know everything yet. I base my opinion on the actual evidence. But there very well may be more evidence that we have not seen. Maybe there was a witness to Zimmerman physically restraining Martin, maybe there was a witness to Martin running up and punching Zimmerman. We don't know. We can only speculate based on the evidence we have, and I believe that evidence shows that Martin was the aggressor.

I read what you posted but your other posts point to the fact that you've made up your mind a loong time ago.
You say "we can only speculate" yet you post your explanation of the distance of Zimmerman to his vehicle as if it was the truth.
Oh, well.

Of course I "made up my mind", but I never said it can't be changed. At this point however, nobody has given me anything to doubt Zimmerman's story. People try to convince others that Zimmerman is a racist murderer....but they provide ZERO proof. ZERO evidence. It's the same old crap from the original headlines that have mostly been proven untrue. I don't like Zimmerman, I don't think he's some hero out there saving the community. However, I don't think he is a cold blooded murderer either. I originally believed the hype, originally believed that Zimmerman was a racist, evil, child murderer. Then I listened to the 911 calls, then I read the transcripts that leaked out. I looked at maps of the area, measurements, time lines..and I came to my own opinion of what happened, and when we finally heard Zimmerman actually describe the events, it matched almost perfectly with what I thought. So yea, as of right now I believe it was a SYG case, cut and dry. However, I am not closing the book on the idea that there is other information I don't know, and there might be evidence out there that proves otherwise. I am more than willing to listen, but as of yet nobody has had anything significant to disprove Zimmerman's account.

Cheers!

12941 · 07-26-2012, 01:49 AM

Well, since we've cleared that up, that your posts are merely your opinion of the events based on what little evidence made available to you so far,
Ok then.

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Of course I "made up my mind", but I never said it can't be changed. At this point however, nobody has given me anything to doubt Zimmerman's story. People try to convince others that Zimmerman is a racist murderer....but they provide ZERO proof. ZERO evidence. It's the same old crap from the original headlines that have mostly been proven untrue. I don't like Zimmerman, I don't think he's some hero out there saving the community. However, I don't think he is a cold blooded murderer either. I originally believed the hype, originally believed that Zimmerman was a racist, evil, child murderer. Then I listened to the 911 calls, then I read the transcripts that leaked out. I looked at maps of the area, measurements, time lines..and I came to my own opinion of what happened, and when we finally heard Zimmerman actually describe the events, it matched almost perfectly with what I thought. So yea, as of right now I believe it was a SYG case, cut and dry. However, I am not closing the book on the idea that there is other information I don't know, and there might be evidence out there that proves otherwise. I am more than willing to listen, but as of yet nobody has had anything significant to disprove Zimmerman's account.

1. Zimmerman might just be the kind of person who hides his racism very well.

2. The killer in Colorado wasn't the "murderer type" either, until he decided to commit murder.

3. Funny, there are some SYG advocates that think differently.

4. Actually, the facts are that (1) Zimmerman killed Martin (2) Zimmerman killed Martin using his gun (3) Martin was unarmed (4) Martin had a right to be where he was at the time starting from the initial contact with Zimmerman until Martin was shot.
SYG law is an affirmative defense, which Zimmerman must prove he is entitled to, not the other way around.
Zimmerman hasn't disproved the claim that he initiated the confrontation with Martin, at a time when Martin was doing nothing illegal.

As for me I'd rather not get all worked up and would rather wait for trial.
From what I gather, most of the people got all angry because nothing was being done to properly investigate the event (not entirely their fault). Once the police got off their butts and started doing real police work, most of the people are willing to wait until the whole process is over. The outrage is that nothing was being done in light of the known facts at the time (Zimmerman wasn't talkling either).
To keep up the level of anger at this point (on both sides) is merely counter-productive. Emotions get in the way of getting the facts straight.

Cheers!

sebrebc · 07-26-2012, 02:25 AM

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Originally Posted by 12941

Well, since we've cleared that up, that your posts are merely your opinion of the events based on what little evidence made available to you so far,
Ok then.

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Originally Posted by sebrebc

Of course I "made up my mind", but I never said it can't be changed. At this point however, nobody has given me anything to doubt Zimmerman's story. People try to convince others that Zimmerman is a racist murderer....but they provide ZERO proof. ZERO evidence. It's the same old crap from the original headlines that have mostly been proven untrue. I don't like Zimmerman, I don't think he's some hero out there saving the community. However, I don't think he is a cold blooded murderer either. I originally believed the hype, originally believed that Zimmerman was a racist, evil, child murderer. Then I listened to the 911 calls, then I read the transcripts that leaked out. I looked at maps of the area, measurements, time lines..and I came to my own opinion of what happened, and when we finally heard Zimmerman actually describe the events, it matched almost perfectly with what I thought. So yea, as of right now I believe it was a SYG case, cut and dry. However, I am not closing the book on the idea that there is other information I don't know, and there might be evidence out there that proves otherwise. I am more than willing to listen, but as of yet nobody has had anything significant to disprove Zimmerman's account.

1. Zimmerman might just be the kind of person who hides his racism very well.

2. The killer in Colorado wasn't the "murderer type" either, until he decided to commit murder.

3. Funny, there are some SYG advocates that think differently.

4. Actually, the facts are that (1) Zimmerman killed Martin (2) Zimmerman killed Martin using his gun (3) Martin was unarmed (4) Martin had a right to be where he was at the time starting from the initial contact with Zimmerman until Martin was shot.
SYG law is an affirmative defense, which Zimmerman must prove he is entitled to, not the other way around.
Zimmerman hasn't disproved the claim that he initiated the confrontation with Martin, at a time when Martin was doing nothing illegal.

As for me I'd rather not get all worked up and would rather wait for trial.
From what I gather, most of the people got all angry because nothing was being done to properly investigate the event (not entirely their fault). Once the police got off their butts and started doing real police work, most of the people are willing to wait until the whole process is over. The outrage is that nothing was being done in light of the known facts at the time (Zimmerman wasn't talkling either).
To keep up the level of anger at this point (on both sides) is merely counter-productive. Emotions get in the way of getting the facts straight.

Cheers!

I'm not angry or upset, please don't read that in my text. I honestly try to type how I would say something, but in doing so it sometimes comes out wrong.

When it comes to this case, I really don't have a dog in the race...so to speak. If some witness came out tomorrow and gave a detailed blow-by-blow, saying Zimmerman chased down Martin, caught him and tried to detain him, causing Martin to fight for his life. I wouldn't be upset or angry that I was wrong. I just base my opinions on the evidence, as you said little evidence, we have at this point.

Captain_Fantasy · 10-26-2012, 09:30 PM

It's interesting how quickly this story was tossed by the wayside in the wake of the upcoming election.

infantrystud · 10-27-2012, 04:18 AM

And its brought back to life!

CoyoteStarrk · 10-27-2012, 04:28 AM

God damn Necromancers!!!

Captain_Fantasy · 01-18-2013, 09:26 PM

So is there a trial going on with this guy or are they still waiting?

infantrystud · 01-19-2013, 03:57 AM

It lives on!

I actually have no idea what's going on with the case. Anyone care to update it?

CoyoteStarrk · 01-19-2013, 04:10 AM

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God damn Necromancers!!!

^This!

Captain_Fantasy · 01-19-2013, 04:49 AM

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God damn Necromancers!!!

^This!

You were the one who unleashed this thread upon us.

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Oh wait that wasn't you. You're responsible for the one of the other threads.
Expert trolling BTW.

65dart · 01-19-2013, 08:51 AM

there was a blip that it was going to trial,and that plea bargain was off the table, there going to court on murder charges from the sound of it, but like i said it was only a blip and not much info