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Old 06-23-2017, 02:25 PM   #1
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Who are the real natives to the Americas? Why does one group have more "claim" to this land then another? I have been told that the illegals from Mexico have "more right" to this land then whites currently living the U.S. How is that possible?

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If you go back far enough you will find that we all originated from Africa.
How far back you go depends on the point you want to make.

The 'illegals' from Mexico are mainly descended from the Spanish, the French, the native tribes, plus various other ethnicities that settled in Mexico.

Why do they have priority of claim over the Spanish, the French, the native tribes, plus various other ethnicities that settled in California?

Give England back to the Celts. Forget the Norman and Gaul heritage. The Celts were there first.
Give Japan back to the Ainu. The Ainu were there first.

How long does someone need to be in possession of land to claim it as there own?
Not long at all if you have the muscle to back up your claim.
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Who are the real natives to the Americas? Why does one group have more "claim" to this land then another? I have been told that the illegals from Mexico have "more right" to this land then whites currently living the U.S. How is that possible?
It's not. This "claim" is based on the fact that Mexicans were here first -- presuming you assume that Spaniards were not white.

Whoever is in current possession of the land is the one with the most claim to that land.

And everyone who was born in the Americas is a native of the Americas.
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And everyone who was born in the Americas is a native of the Americas.

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Who are the real natives to the Americas? Why does one group have more "claim" to this land then another? I have been told that the illegals from Mexico have "more right" to this land then whites currently living the U.S. How is that possible?
Jus soli. A child born on US soil is automatically a citizen, regardless of its parents' immigration status, so a Mexican so-called "anchor baby" has more right to be in this country than a European lawful permanent resident.
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Jus soli. A child born on US soil is automatically a citizen, regardless of its parents' immigration status, so a Mexican so-called "anchor baby" has more right to be in this country than a European lawful permanent resident.
Not true. The anchor baby has the exact same right to be in this country as a permanent resident.
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Jus soli. A child born on US soil is automatically a citizen, regardless of its parents' immigration status, so a Mexican so-called "anchor baby" has more right to be in this country than a European lawful permanent resident.
Not true. The anchor baby has the exact same right to be in this country as a permanent resident.

Exactly, After the Boy from Cuba in FL during the 1990's, I though we should adopt a new method of dealing with "anchor baby". Bill Clinton said a child is best raised by its parents (flies in the face of the "it take a village" statement by his wife, but I digress), and justification for sending him back to Cuba (and the doctored photo show to the American people). So, that should sent a president for Anchor Babies, they should be send back to there parents native land, and when they are 18 they can return to the U.S. with citizenship! We can call it "Clinton's Law".

I came up with this idea at the same time I came up with a foreign policy idea called Cameron's Law, but that is another story.
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Jus soli. A child born on US soil is automatically a citizen, regardless of its parents' immigration status, so a Mexican so-called "anchor baby" has more right to be in this country than a European lawful permanent resident.
Not true. The anchor baby has the exact same right to be in this country as a permanent resident.
Legally, maybe, but I was thinking more of the fact that this is the kid's country, the white guy's just in the process of moving in.
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Not true. The anchor baby has the exact same right to be in this country as a permanent resident.
Legally, maybe, but I was thinking more of the fact that this is the kid's country, the white guy's just in the process of moving in.

Legally is all that matters. Being born in a hospital doesn't make the child the owner of the hospital. Just as being born in a country doesn't make that his country. Your country is where you pledge your alligencence. Being born in that same country just makes the legal matters much easier.
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Not true. The anchor baby has the exact same right to be in this country as a permanent resident.
Legally, maybe, but I was thinking more of the fact that this is the kid's country, the white guy's just in the process of moving in.
Huh? If the "white guy" has been here for 241 years, and the baby was just born, it's the child who is "moving in".
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Legally, maybe, but I was thinking more of the fact that this is the kid's country, the white guy's just in the process of moving in.
Huh? If the "white guy" has been here for 241 years, and the baby was just born, it's the child who is "moving in".
By "the white guy" I referred to the European lawful permanent resident to which we had previously been comparing the newborn citizen of Mexican ancestry.
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Huh? If the "white guy" has been here for 241 years, and the baby was just born, it's the child who is "moving in".
By "the white guy" I referred to the European lawful permanent resident to which we had previously been comparing the newborn citizen of Mexican ancestry.
It's still the same. I'm sixty-two. A newborn baby is significantly younger than that, and is therefore the one "moving in".
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By "the white guy" I referred to the European lawful permanent resident to which we had previously been comparing the newborn citizen of Mexican ancestry.
It's still the same. I'm sixty-two. A newborn baby is significantly younger than that, and is therefore the one "moving in".
Except the kid's a citizen, already lives here, belongs in and to this country, in a way that the immigrant, who is still in the process of becoming part of this country, does not. Citizenship >>> green card.
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It's still the same. I'm sixty-two. A newborn baby is significantly younger than that, and is therefore the one "moving in".
Except the kid's a citizen, already lives here, belongs in and to this country, in a way that the immigrant, who is still in the process of becoming part of this country, does not.

First you say "European lawful permanent resident," and then you say "immigrant who is still in the process of becoming part of this country."

You seem to be changing definitions again to make your point.

Maybe you should come back when you know what you're talking about.
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Except the kid's a citizen, already lives here, belongs in and to this country, in a way that the immigrant, who is still in the process of becoming part of this country, does not.

First you say "European lawful permanent resident," and then you say "immigrant who is still in the process of becoming part of this country."

You seem to be changing definitions again to make your point.

Maybe you should come back when you know what you're talking about.
I'm not changing shit, that's how the immigration process works. First you get a green card, establish permanent residency, and then request to naturalize as a citizen.
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You seem to be changing definitions again to make your point.
I'm not changing shit

And yet, you are. This thread is about the erroneous belief that anchor babies have more rights than white citizens. Now, according to you, it's about anchor babies versus European immigrants. What will you change in your next post?
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And yet, you are. This thread is about the erroneous belief that anchor babies have more rights than white citizens. Now, according to you, it's about anchor babies versus European immigrants. What will you change in your next post?
Actually, if you scroll just a little ways up the page to the OP, you will see that the thread refers to "whites currently living [in] the U.S", not necessarily citizens, so comparison to a (white) European here with a green card is perfectly valid.

Of course, you'll also see that the thread is about illegals from Mexico, and I will leave it to you to decide whether a child born to two Mexicans who overstayed their visa is "an illegal".
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the thread refers to "whites currently living [in] the U.S", not necessarily citizens, so comparison to a (white) European here with a green card is perfectly valid.
I don't see anything in the original post that specifically states "immigrant". Given Iron_Warmonger's stance on immigration, I'm going to say he specifically did not mean immigrants. What I do see is you changing the meaning of the post again to rove your point. Accept that you're wrong.

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I don't see anything in the original post that specifically states "immigrant". Given Iron_Warmonger's stance on immigration, I'm going to say he specifically did not mean immigrants. What I do see is you changing the meaning of the post again to rove your point. Accept that you're wrong.
Nor anything that specifically says "citizen", just "whites", which includes a Norwegian-born green-card-holder. Of course, the real killer is the fact that a child of Mexican immigrants born on American soil is not an "illegal from Mexico" and there the comparison breaks down.

That being said, the significance of OP's comparison just occurred to me. I smell unexamined assumptions about the inherent and greater legitimacy of white Americans in this country.
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