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Old 06-30-2017, 03:10 AM   #21
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OK, I may only have a minor in Math, having taken up to Partial Differential equations, but how is it possible to have cut the Deficit by three quarters, and yet add more to the U.S. total dept then any other previous president? Really, how is such possible?
Because deficit != debt, as both links explain.

Nice try at avoidance there. But as warmonger was pointing out if he reduced the deficit as much as he claimed, then debt should have climbed less under his presidency compared to others. Not been exteremly higher than any other president. So as he warmonger was saying simple math, what your trying to claim doesn't add up.
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Don't they teach arithmetic in RWNJ school?

They apparently do, just not at LWNJ school.
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Well since Trump's "lies" are such an issue, how about some of Obama's.
Something you're apparently not aware of: Obama is no longer President. Try to keep up.

And from 2009 on, NEITHER WAS BUSH, but that did not stop anyone from blaming everything that was wrong on him!!! So what is relevance of your statement?
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Don't they teach arithmetic in RWNJ school?

They apparently do, just not at LWNJ school.
It's only the RWNJs who don't understand how the deficit can go down while at the same time the debt goes up. Not all RWNJs, just the truly ignorant ones.
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They apparently do, just not at LWNJ school.
It's only the RWNJs who don't understand how the deficit can go down while at the same time the debt goes up. Not all RWNJs, just the truly ignorant ones.

And that is why I hate liberals, you can't see my argument, or you refuse to see it and consider your ignorance a victory. Obama added more to the debt then any other President, and with still three months to go to the end of his last budget we still do not know how much. No if the "cut the deficit" while it is still possible for the total debt to go up, it is not possible for it go to up FASTER then previous Presidents!!! It not that hard to see, so how is what you are saying possible, or it this another case of "if I refuse to see it, I can pretend it is not true"?
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It's only the RWNJs who don't understand how the deficit can go down while at the same time the debt goes up. Not all RWNJs, just the truly ignorant ones.

And that is why I hate liberals, you can't see my argument, or you refuse to see it and consider your ignorance a victory. Obama added more to the debt then any other President, and with still three months to go to the end of his last budget we still do not know how much. No if the "cut the deficit" while it is still possible for the total debt to go up, it is not possible for it go to up FASTER then previous Presidents!!! It not that hard to see, so how is what you are saying possible, or it this another case of "if I refuse to see it, I can pretend it is not true"?
Mate, it is not only possible, it is factual. Or are you going to be the blind one that refuses to face an inconvenient truth?
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And that is why I hate liberals, you can't see my argument, or you refuse to see it and consider your ignorance a victory. Obama added more to the debt then any other President, and with still three months to go to the end of his last budget we still do not know how much. No if the "cut the deficit" while it is still possible for the total debt to go up, it is not possible for it go to up FASTER then previous Presidents!!! It not that hard to see, so how is what you are saying possible, or it this another case of "if I refuse to see it, I can pretend it is not true"?
Mate, it is not only possible, it is factual. Or are you going to be the blind one that refuses to face an inconvenient truth?
what about the inconvenient truth that obama raised it by about 300% before lowering it by 75%, the 2008 deficit was $458 billion the 2016 deficit was $474 billion, shouldn't it have been $114.5 billion if he indeed lowered it by 3/4?
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Mate, it is not only possible, it is factual. Or are you going to be the blind one that refuses to face an inconvenient truth?
what about the inconvenient truth that obama raised it by about 300% before lowering it by 75%, the 2008 deficit was $458 billion the 2016 deficit was $474 billion, shouldn't it have been $114.5 billion if he indeed lowered it by 3/4?
The article I posted is aware of that objection, so I will direct you to its response.
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what about the inconvenient truth that obama raised it by about 300% before lowering it by 75%, the 2008 deficit was $458 billion the 2016 deficit was $474 billion, shouldn't it have been $114.5 billion if he indeed lowered it by 3/4?
The article I posted is aware of that objection, so I will direct you to its response.
yes of course, since it is a left leaning source, it looks at his first year when he raised it from 458 billion to 1.4 trillion and uses that as the base, to make it work, he also said it was at lower than the 40 year average, of course his wild spikes made the average skyrocket, so it is all bullshit, just like ever other thing that came out of his mouth.
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Jesus H Tapdancing Christ you illiterate fucking shithead, read the Goddamn article and don't just stop at the part where it's farther left than you are. You might actually find some of their points useful to your argument.
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OMG, I read the article and well, I am having childhood flashback. When was a small child, there was a Saturday Morning Cartoon, were three teams of Hanna Barbara cartoon characters completed in a Olympic type competition, the Laugh Olympics. One team make up of all cartoon villains. There in one episode where there is a foot race, and the villains have there runner running on a treadmill that is being drive along the race course. They said it is with in the rule, but the "rule book" they are using was written my them! Read that article I get the impression that I was reading that rule book.

The Math Trickery in there analysis of how Obama lower the Deficte by three quarters, is actually worse then than the Tea party using to try to justify the [un]fair tax!!! And the [un]fair tax starts out with a math trick LIE!!

If this is the best you can do to try to maintain Obama legacy, when the big wall of U.S. President and there accomplishment is made, all it will say under Obama is "First Black President", because that appears to be the only thing he has actually done.

And worse this is what American politics is really down to, math tricks and lies that everything ti gong well, when it is not. No one want to do anything to help the nation, because they are afraid it will upset the major doners, or other nations, or they have some agenda that while it no in the best interest of the American people they just know it is necessary and history will remember then as such, or they just don't care any more so long an they get a com-fee life and the expense of others. If the founders could see what the American government had become, they would start another revolution.
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And that is why I hate liberals, you can't see my argument, or you refuse to see it and consider your ignorance a victory.
Funny. I don't hate conservatives. What I hate is people like you who either ignore facts, make up facts, or just don't care.

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But lest talk about one that is undeniable, the U.S. National Debt. Obama say to cut the deficit by a third, but when he took office the debt was at 10.6 Trillion, the day before his first budget too effect (9/30/2009) it was at 11.9 Trillion. Today still several months away from the end of the Last Obama Budget, it stands at 19.8 Trillion, an increase of 7.9 Trillion, more then any other president in raw dollar, and a 67% increase, if you want to go by percentage, more then any other President in history, outside of a major (i.e. WWII) war.
Obama added 68% (close enough to your 67%). George W Bush added 101%. George HW Bush added 54% in only 4 years. But the champion is Saint Ronald Reagan at 186%. So of the last three Republican presidents only Bush 41 was lower, but he only had four years. We can only guess at the damage if he had another four years.


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OK, I may only have a minor in Math, having taken up to Partial Differential equations, but how is it possible to have cut the Deficit by three quarters, and yet add more to the U.S. total dept then any other previous president? Really, how is such possible?
I too took calculus but it only takes simple arithmetic to understand how deficits can be cut but debt continue to grow. As long as there is a deficit the debt will grow, even if the deficit is cut 99%.

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OMG, I read the article and well, I am having childhood flashback. When was a small child, there was a Saturday Morning Cartoon, were three teams of Hanna Barbara cartoon characters completed in a Olympic type competition, the Laugh Olympics. One team make up of all cartoon villains. There in one episode where there is a foot race, and the villains have there runner running on a treadmill that is being drive along the race course. They said it is with in the rule, but the "rule book" they are using was written my them! Read that article I get the impression that I was reading that rule book.
1. LOL at your most evocative frame of comparison being a Hanna-Barbera Saturday morning cartoon.
2. The fact that it's technically correct does not change that it's factually correct.
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Mate, it is not only possible, it is factual. Or are you going to be the blind one that refuses to face an inconvenient truth?
what about the inconvenient truth that obama raised it by about 300% before lowering it by 75%, the 2008 deficit was $458 billion the 2016 deficit was $474 billion, shouldn't it have been $114.5 billion if he indeed lowered it by 3/4?
Another case of "alternative facts". The 2008 deficit was was slightly over $1 trillion, and Bush's last budget was 2009 where the deficit was $1.632 trillion. Only Obama's first budget (2010) exceeded that, and then by only $20 billion.

Here's the source again. I'm open to other sources, if you've got one that backs up your "alternative facts" please cite it.
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what about the inconvenient truth that obama raised it by about 300% before lowering it by 75%, the 2008 deficit was $458 billion the 2016 deficit was $474 billion, shouldn't it have been $114.5 billion if he indeed lowered it by 3/4?
Another case of "alternative facts". The 2008 deficit was was slightly over $1 trillion, and Bush's last budget was 2009 where the deficit was $1.632 trillion. Only Obama's first budget (2010) exceeded that, and then by only $20 billion.

Here's the source again. I'm open to other sources, if you've got one that backs up your "alternative facts" please cite it.

You mean like this
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/ho...rticle/2560220
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They apparently do, just not at LWNJ school.
It's only the RWNJs who don't understand how the deficit can go down while at the same time the debt goes up. Not all RWNJs, just the truly ignorant ones.

Oh my bad it is simple English you don't understand. We all understand that a deficit that goes down still means debt will go up. What doesn't add up is if the deficit was cut by such a large amount then why did the debt continue to grow at such a rapid rate. It should have slowed way down.
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what about the inconvenient truth that obama raised it by about 300% before lowering it by 75%, the 2008 deficit was $458 billion the 2016 deficit was $474 billion, shouldn't it have been $114.5 billion if he indeed lowered it by 3/4?
Another case of "alternative facts". The 2008 deficit was was slightly over $1 trillion, and Bush's last budget was 2009 where the deficit was $1.632 trillion. Only Obama's first budget (2010) exceeded that, and then by only $20 billion.

Here's the source again. I'm open to other sources, if you've got one that backs up your "alternative facts" please cite it.

It funny in every article that agrees with your numbers there is always a big giant WELL. Well if you factor in this number Obama actually only spent this. Well if you factor in this thing Obama only had this percentage. Why don't you try some real number instead of numbers that use a WELL lets throw this number in the bunch to make Obama look better.
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Jesus H Tapdancing Christ you illiterate fucking shithead, read the Goddamn article and don't just stop at the part where it's farther left than you are. You might actually find some of their points useful to your argument.
ah and now the insults.. thank you for conceding
which part are you so fucking interested in? the part where they say if they had used bush as the base it would be very different? or the part where it says he did absolutely nothing to control the spending in the near future?
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what about the inconvenient truth that obama raised it by about 300% before lowering it by 75%, the 2008 deficit was $458 billion the 2016 deficit was $474 billion, shouldn't it have been $114.5 billion if he indeed lowered it by 3/4?
Another case of "alternative facts". The 2008 deficit was was slightly over $1 trillion, and Bush's last budget was 2009 where the deficit was $1.632 trillion. Only Obama's first budget (2010) exceeded that, and then by only $20 billion.

Here's the source again. I'm open to other sources, if you've got one that backs up your "alternative facts" please cite it.
actually as usual you are wrong

FY2009 $1.16 trillion. ($1.413 trillion minus $253 billion from Obama's Stimulus Act)
FY 2010 - $1.547 ($1.294 trillion plus $253 billion from the Obama Stimulus Act that was attached to the FY 2009 budget)

you guys talk about right wing math lol what a joke, liberal math = 1.547 trillion - 1.16 trillion = 20 billion

used same source as yours to prove you wrong
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